cheap ideas for improveing power

[Simple_serf]

Like most 21 years olds, you think you are the smartest person on the planet, and know all there is to know about everything. There are many of us with years and years of experience that know a little bit about what we are talking about. Because no one will take you at your word, and see you as you see yourself, shows your immaturity. And, to wish those who disagree with you ill will, says something about your mental capabilities also. shady

Exactly.

You have not been able to prove that hotter spark=more power. Giving me dyno #'s doesn't count at all. The entire swap needs full documentation...I and, I would hope, you, know not to belive anyone's random HP #'s online. The engine in question has twin plugs which, following your logic would increase HP, although the engine is known to run the same HP without the extra coil pack. You ignored that this engine has OTHER ISSUES that prevent bolt ons from making more HP. The only thing that MAY help is the cam. You failed to address the expansion rate of the fuel, as well as why voltage is, in your mind, more important than heat generated, which is what I attempted to do when I compared 3 ignition types, all of which work, and I can prove that they work.


Don't you think that if automakers could get an extra 20 HP by putting a higher voltage coil in the car they would? Don't you think that if an aftermaket company like Onan could get an extra 5 KW out of a genset engine just by putting on a hotter coil, they would? (The limas were a popular 30KW genset engine). You forget that power OUT is directly proportional to the amount of power IN and that power IN is fuel, not spark, and that there comes a point (primarily limited by the fuel's expansion rate and the inherent inefficency of the internal combustion engine (which can't be changed unless you goto the Diesel cycle) ) where an engine is incapapble of making more power. The key is the expansion rate. Take a thin line of fuel along a sheet of metal. Light it. compute the time it takes to burn to the end. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Each time, the time is going to be the same, wether you light it with a match, an electric spark, or a electric hearing element (such as a rocket motor starter). This is due to the fact that the fuel has a set ignition point and a set expansion rate at ambient temp and pressure. I have done this test before, and when it warms up I will do it again.

You act as though all of us are idiots and that you are a genius and how you have more certifications and qualifications than 85% of the population (wow...that you actually belive that says alot). In other words, you claim you are smarter than approx 257,993,793 people (going on US Census Numbers).You have forgotten that just because you have a piece of paper doesn't mean that you actually know how to do the work, merely that you can pass a test. You let you ego and your pride get in the way of having a logical discussion. Your reputation Does NOT speak for itself, given that you are a newbie and we don't know your reputation at home.You forget that there are people on here with experience and knowlege that isn't limited to cars. That some of us have been around more than our share of internal combustion engines, in my case rare and unusual engines with many differnt types of ignition, carburation, and combustion chamber design.

If you want to have an actual converstation about theis stuff, I really suggest that you shut off the ego and the attitude and open your mind up to listen to what points other people bring up.

 

[krugford]

+1 Exactly what I was thinking.


As simple_serf said, if you feel the need to discuss how an engine actually works, there are people on this board with a great deal of knowledge and experience that could probably answer any question you have. I, personally, design diesel engines for a living. I have been staring at test cells, logsheets, and computer simulations for a long time and would love the chance to discuss any question you may have about an ic engine. (diesel or gas or other) There are without a doubt people on this board who know more about engine theory and operation than I do. I am always willing to learn. You say you have the experience, but you obviously don't have the knowledge or patience for a logical discussion. Try calming down a bit and explaining your opinion in a manner that suggests you don't think you know everything. You'll get a much better response if you do.

-krug

 

[levi18175]

Exactly.


You act as though all of us are idiots and that you are a genius and how you have more certifications and qualifications than 85% of the population (wow...that you actually belive that says alot). In other words, you claim you are smarter than approx 257,993,793 people .

I'm in MENSA you moron, I can legally say that.

 

[BlackBII]

ok, Seriously

I'm in MENSA you moron, I can legally say that.

I am also in MENSA. I am surprised that you are. I would think that someone with such high IQ ratings as yours would come to the reality that your opinions have been dis proven and argued against by many of us on this forum. Most of which whom have a seemingly greater knowledge of ic engine dynamics and workings.

Fuel is what makes power. How it is ignited isn't. Once ignited it will make specific power output depending on the variables in the fuel. adding condensed air(your "real cold air intake") will add more output power because of more matter to explode hence a more powerful explosion. Adding a more combustible fuel will produce more power, i.e. Nitrous oxide.

Spark has little to do with it. Stock coils provide more than required which is enough because it's already MORE THAN REQUIRED. Adding a hotter spark makes no difference in power output because it happens even before the power is created.

You call people morons. maybe you should respect someones opinion who's is obviously more intelligent than that of your own.

 

[PaleBlue90]

hey BlackB2 how did you get all that power for your fiat project? im interested in that lol

 

[quick-e.t. motorsports]

I have read this whole froum, and wow am I surprised at how stubborn and ignorant people can be. It's not enough that hardly any of you know what you are talking about, it's even worse that you guys are actually recommending work to be done.

Through this whole forum there is a common argument as to if hotter spark can produce more power, the actual answer to that is yes it can, is it a huge noticable gain, no. But you will see it on paper if the truck is tracked.

I have also noticed (after seeing the cold air comments) that you people seem to think that the factory ranger intakes are cold air intakes. Yes, and No. Yes they attain the air from out side of the engine compartment, but the hole in which they get the air through, is acutally much smaller than the throttle body, so it's actually costing you a bit of power, which is why people are pulling off their factory ones and adding an aftermarket intake. The smoother bends help out quite a bit as well. Now you guys claim that the only gain on these are in you butt-dyno, come on. Run your truck down the strip for a few passes, then get a real cold air intake, not a short ram, and make some passes.

Oh, and the B2 guy, ummmm, Nitrous doesn't work quite like that, it's adds more oxygen to the air/fuel mixture (colder to comming from a compressed tank. This helps because colder air is more dense), explaining why you have to add more fuel to a wet shot setup.

So stop ranting, stop complaining, your all being imature and childish. If you think your right, than so be it, if you don't really know what your talking about, stop and do some research, and if you ahve athority on this site, open a book before you open your mouth, people tend to look up to. Shame on you.

 

[BlackBII]

hey BlackB2 how did you get all that power for your fiat project? im interested in that lol

Well I started with an MSD coil and A k&N cold air intake and then installed some platinum +4 spark plugs and vuala 311hp!



Ok addressing the other issue, adding dense air from a bottle creates a more combustible mixture, which when combined makes a "fuel", creating more power I don't see how I got it wrong, explained it rather wrongly I suppose. I understand a Nitrous system, I have installed quite a few, sorry for the misunderstanding.

This whole thread has been a disastrous campaign in politeness and an respect of others. The ignorance shown on my part and the parts of others in this thread are all fueled by the ignorance by the person with the opposing opinion. Now if the OP wants to gain a few HP by adding some rather over-priced mods than thats fine. All I have been trying to address is that it is rather impractical on a bone stock engine. Adding "spark" and "cold air" add power but in such a small margin it's unnoticeable in most cases on a non-modified motor. If he were to build his 2.3 to "race it" adding these mods will be more beneficial. My main argument on "hott spark" centers mainly on a non modified engine, like the one in discussion.

I apologize for the aggravation I have caused the others. So please don't call people immature and childish for stating a reasonable opinion when you doing that is reflecting the same accusation against yourself.

 

[Simple_serf]

I'm in MENSA you moron, I can legally say that.

Ah yes, scoring in the 98th percentile on an IQ test makes you all knowledgeable regarding every aspect of the interal combustion engine.

Have you ever read the Mismeasure of Man by Stephen Jay Gould?

Actually, that probably does explain the ego issue.

 

[Dave R]

I'm in MENSA you moron, I can legally say that.

I'd have thought for a MENSA society member you'd have been a bit more, well, intelligent.

"levi18175" ...The IP Address is: 206.162.197.130. The host name is: 197-130.sj.dsl.seidata.com.

"quick-e.t. motosports" ....The IP Address is: 206.162.197.130. The host name is: 197-130.sj.dsl.seidata.com.

It's really sort of sad that you had to create another user name so that someone would appear to agree with you.

 

[Will]

Bwah Ha Ha!

Vizzini: I can't compete with you physically, and you're no match for my brains.
Westley: You're that smart?
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Westley: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

Truly you have a dizzying intellect.

 

[Jspafford]

I'm in MENSA you moron, I can legally say that.

Ok, I'll play.. When I was younger.. Like 12 or something my mommy bought me a MENSA book. I was able to do most of the word games without looking in the back of the book for the answer....

I especially liked the pages where they had the colored shapes and I had to put them in order.

The number problems were hard though.....

But then again, I am a super mod and drive a 4WD, so that makes me a moron

Seriously, If you want more power bolting on a couple brightly colored parts is not going to work.

 

[HAPPY_RANGER_GUY]

Friend

And I thought he had a friend get on and pipe up for his case...must not have a friend to do so, had to do it himself.

T.

 

[Simple_serf]

 

[ryan]

I'd have thought for a MENSA society member you'd have been a bit more, well, intelligent.

"levi18175" ...The IP Address is: 206.162.197.130. The host name is: 197-130.sj.dsl.seidata.com.

"quick-e.t. motosports" ....The IP Address is: 206.162.197.130. The host name is: 197-130.sj.dsl.seidata.com.

It's really sort of sad that you had to create another user name so that someone would appear to agree with you.

 

[BlackBII]

I never even thought of looking up his IP, that's too awesome. He could have at least done it form another machine, lol.

I guess we shouldn't give him such a hard time, he's "Special" lol lol

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