Bleeding the RBV Hydraulic System

[04 EDGE]

how am i confusing hydraulic with mechanical???????????

there is no self adjusting in this system. please read and think for once bob. i know thats asking a lot.

you are the #1 reason i dont come to ranger sites anymore.

and the creator of this thread has not responded to any of this so we dont know if he had the flywheel machined or not. if he did then this is why he has to push the pedal all the way to the floor to disengage the clutch.

 

[fastpakr]

Than a new OEM disk, certainly not. But thicker than a worn disk? Unquestionably. My point is that the difference in thickness between a worn disk and a new one FAR outweighs the few thousandths removed in the flywheel resurfacing. Given that, even if the clutch did not self adjust at all it would still not generate the problem you're blaming on it.

Sorry, I'm not going to accept that you're right when your claims simply don't make sense.

 

[Bob Ayers]

bob dont start you shit, you know nothing about this.

and the replacement clutch disk is no thicker then a new OEM disk.

you guys need to accept the fact that i am right on this.

mr ayers, you are just starting crap, you see a heated discussion between me and someone else and you post something like that, totally out of line, you added nothing to this. haven't you been warned about this already?

WHy don't you just admit you are wrong!!!!

 

[martin]

If it has an external slave it might make a small difference due to the change in angle of the actuating lever. If it has an internal slave it will make no difference at all.

 

[04 EDGE]

You are exactly right, a hydraulic clutch works on pressures, and the slave will move against the pressure plate fingers until the forces equalize, making them self-adjusting.

this is the dumbest thing you have ever posted bob.

so if you take metal off the flywheel and the hydraulic system does not have the extra reach designed into it that it now needs to disengage the clutch then your saying the pedal should be normal?

i'm at a loss here guys, my real world hands on knowledge is taking over as well as my "i know better" sense.

i'm not wasting any more time on this, it just not worth it. let the guy spend hours of his time messing around with it and not get anywhere. doesn't matter to me.

if your "know it all" ego is all that matters then so be it.

 

[brendank]

I think what he's trying to say is that the new clutch disc will be thicker than the old one that it replaced.

I've always had air get into the master after using the quick disconnect. It wasn't until very recently that I had ever heard of it actually working. My brother called me just to tell me how for once he got the stupid quick disconnect back on without having to take the master off and re-bleed from scratch.

There is absolutely no way that .050 will affect pedal feel to the point where the pedal goes almost to the floor. It's just not possible. As was said before, the hydraulic system will adjust.


This thread has the potential to get out of hand, so take it easy guys, or you will be put on a break.

 

[fastpakr]

Your real world hands on knowledge is failing to account for issues that everybody here who has run into the problem (at least one person a week on the forums) can attest to.

I'm still curious - if you blame the problem on the flywheel being resurfaced, how do you account for the fact that the new clutch disk is thicker to offset the change in flywheel thickness?

 

[04 EDGE]

Than a new OEM disk, certainly not. But thicker than a worn disk? Unquestionably. My point is that the difference in thickness between a worn disk and a new one FAR outweighs the few thousandths removed in the flywheel resurfacing. Given that, even if the clutch did not self adjust at all it would still not generate the problem you're blaming on it.
Sorry, I'm not going to accept that you're right when your claims simply don't make sense.

ok last ditch effort.

the flywheel is designed to be a certain thickness, the disk also, pressure plate as well. the master can only push the slave so far on this application, so ask yourself this, what will happen if to much material is taken off the flywheel?

again, not rocket science.

 

[04 EDGE]

Your real world hands on knowledge is failing to account for issues that everybody here who has run into the problem (at least one person a week on the forums) can attest to.

I'm still curious - if you blame the problem on the flywheel being resurfaced, how do you account for the fact that the new clutch disk is thicker to offset the change in flywheel thickness?

please prove this.

no aftermarket clutch is made on purpose to be thicker then OEM, if so please back your statement up with facts.

 

[fastpakr]

please prove this.

no aftermarket clutch is made on purpose to be thicker then OEM, if so please back your statement up with facts.

Is your reading comprehension non-existent? I have NEVER said 'thicker than OEM' and I have specifically said 'worn clutch'.

If you remove five to seven thousands off the flywheel and add a few tenths of an inch to the clutch disk, how is it that you've pushed the disk further away from the flywheel?

 

[brendank]

please prove this.

no aftermarket clutch is made on purpose to be thicker then OEM, if so please back your statement up with facts.

Go back and read what he said. He made the claim that a new OEM disc will be thicker than one that has been used, and is worn.

 

[Bob Ayers]

Your real world hands on knowledge is failing to account for issues that everybody here who has run into the problem (at least one person a week on the forums) can attest to.

I'm still curious - if you blame the problem on the flywheel being resurfaced, how do you account for the fact that the new clutch disk is thicker to offset the change in flywheel thickness?

If he was close to correct, everybody with a hydraulic clutch would be in trouble as the disk wore.....Only a mechanical linkage clutch needs adjustment to compensate for disk wear, NOT a hydraulic!!

 

[04 EDGE]

now if you took the spacer out that goes between the engine and trans then the slave would not have to push the pressure plate as far to disengage the clutch.

you guys getting it yet?

 

[04 EDGE]

Your real world hands on knowledge is failing to account for issues that everybody here who has run into the problem (at least one person a week on the forums) can attest to.

I'm still curious - if you blame the problem on the flywheel being resurfaced, how do you account for the fact that the new clutch disk is thicker to offset the change in flywheel thickness?

i can read and comprehend just fine

 

[fastpakr]

Thicker than worn clutch disk.
Not thicker than OEM.

Clear enough?