94 Air Box questions

[Jay'94]

Coming from a guy on a Ford based web site with a Pontiac pic. Things that make ya go HMMMMMM???

 

[BlackBII]

I love Idiots. They make my day so much more amusing.

FYI - I am NOT talking about BigJim...hint hint.

 

[The Bandit]

I'm thinking this electric turbo will give me about 50-75 rwhp? What do you guys think?

I'm entertained by these debates as much as anyone else, lets keep it light.

 

[BlackBII]

Who let the troll in?

 

[rkneeshaw]

Whats with you guys? this guy seems non-aggressive and is simply stating opinion and his experience, why the hostility?

I dont know any of you guys, and I"m fairly new here, but I have seen nothing but respect and courtesy around here. However my take on this thread is that Big Jim M has a major pantybunch going on for some reason.... did something carry over from another thread or something?

I dont see any reason to question the way engineers built our trucks. For the most part they did a great job, but why wouldnt you ask questions? You have aftermarket companies building headers for our trucks that generate more power, if the engineers are gods why didn't they build them that way to start with? I think its because they had a goal and a purpose of their own when they designed the truck for the masses. But some of us just dont care about NVH or how fast the truck warms up, or other things the engineers designed for and place a higher value on performance over comfort. For those reasons we modify our trucks, even explore ways to change the air box to improve performance.

 

[Big Jim M]

Ok I'll answer

Whats with you guys? this guy seems non-aggressive and is simply stating opinion and his experience, why the hostility?

I dont know any of you guys, and I"m fairly new here, but I have seen nothing but respect and courtesy around here. However my take on this thread is that Big Jim M has a major pantybunch going on for some reason.... did something carry over from another thread or something?

I dont see any reason to question the way engineers built our trucks. For the most part they did a great job, but why wouldnt you ask questions? You have aftermarket companies building headers for our trucks that generate more power, if the engineers are gods why didn't they build them that way to start with? I think its because they had a goal and a purpose of their own when they designed the truck for the masses. But some of us just dont care about NVH or how fast the truck warms up, or other things the engineers designed for and place a higher value on performance over comfort. For those reasons we modify our trucks, even explore ways to change the air box to improve performance.

What we try to do is cancel out posts by novices telling damn lies. We try to educate other novices that might read these posts as to what the truth of these matters are.
Futching around with the well engineered intake devices cannot do anything for your ride that is GOOD FOR IT! Yep, you'll get more NOISE! And prolly more DIRT in the engine. But power or milage...not a chance. So a few of us that know the truth of these matters try to educate as truthfully as is possible.
In all truth, these little trucks cannot be improved on without spending many thousands of dollars on them.
If we see a poster writing that he improvised a stove pipe for his intake and he is now getting 30 mpg and 300 hp.. We simply try to get other novices to NOT TRY THAT.. as the original poster is lieing and trying to get them to ruin their well engineered Fords.
Big JIm

 

[rkneeshaw]

...Futching around with the well engineered intake devices cannot do anything for your ride that is GOOD FOR IT! ...

This is my point, your comment is subjective. From your view, or maybe even the engineer's view, you can't improve it, the air box is perfect! But pretend you only care about an extra 3hp, and don't care if the filter lets in a few dirt particles a few microns larger, or if that causes your engine to last 150k miles instead of 250k miles. In that case, the air box sucks balls, and it needs to be reworked.

See what I'm saying? Just because you have different objectives when you look at the design of a truck doesn't mean someone else is wrong. They just have different priorities.

I think the way you lashed out at this guy was very douchy.

 

[BlackBII]

3hp isn't even measurable. There are far too many variables to even measure that.

The Stock airbox/intake is not restrictive to where it limits or decreases power. Therefore, adding an aftermarket filter/intake will NOT increase power or mileage. So, it is a WASTE OF MONEY in that regard.

SO, what BigJim is trying to do is deter future novices from reading this, and thinking that buying said 'performance' parts will give them more power/mileage. This way, they don't get silly ideas in their head, and they dont waste money.

The motor isn't going to move more air from a different filter/intake, because you aren't doing anything internal to the motor to increase the CFM. It's simple

 

[farmer]

I agree with Big Jim! the only thing that will give you more power is this
Tornado
LOOK! Even the news says it work!!!

 

[Big Jim M]

What Provo said X 2!

This is my point, your comment is subjective. From your view, or maybe even the engineer's view, you can't improve it, the air box is perfect! But pretend you only care about an extra 3hp, and don't care if the filter lets in a few dirt particles a few microns larger, or if that causes your engine to last 150k miles instead of 250k miles. In that case, the air box sucks balls, and it needs to be reworked.

See what I'm saying? Just because you have different objectives when you look at the design of a truck doesn't mean someone else is wrong. They just have different priorities.

I think the way you lashed out at this guy was very douchy.

The guys that ask questions here are for the most part novices. Why fill their heads with Santa Clause and Easter Bunny, only for them, after a few years and lots of money down the drain, to find out there ain't no such thing!!!
When we KNOW FOR SURE a certain fact why LIE to them?
OR ALLOW OTHERS TO LIE TO THEM?
As long as the engine stays intact there is NOTHING that can be done to the intake to improve it...PERIOD!
The intake supplies all the air the engine can injest.. So how can ANY modification to the intake improve on THAT?
So impowered with that knowlege if a novice now wants to put some stove pipe or dryer vent pipe up there to show all his friends.. THAT'S FINE WITH US! But we want him to know in advance he will get nothing from that modification.. AND it is quite possible he will LOSE mpg or hp! Or, god forbid, engine life..
Big JIm

 

[rkneeshaw]

3hp isn't even measurable. There are far too many variables to even measure that.

Agree. Just making the point that some of us have different priorities than others.

The Stock airbox/intake is not restrictive to where it limits or decreases power. Therefore, adding an aftermarket filter/intake will NOT increase power or mileage. So, it is a WASTE OF MONEY in that regard.

Good to know. Not always true for every application, but I'm new to this platform and take your word for it.

The motor isn't going to move more air from a different filter/intake, because you aren't doing anything internal to the motor to increase the CFM. It's simple

Disagree. If the intake/filter is restrictive, or has additional filters or elements added to suppress sound or serve some other purposes besides performance, and you remove those restrictions, you will get more power out of the motor, without changing any of the motors internals.

The reason why the OP's question has merits is because he is asking about a "silencer", which sounds to me like a NVH part. If that part was added to the intake to reduce sound, its possible that it was added at the cost of a few HP on the motor or overall efficiency of the motor. This may not actually be the case here, but there are other vehicles that it truly is, and therefore I don't believe this was a stupid question.

I applaud everyone's efforts to protect the noobs, but calling his questions stupid or yelling at him was the wrong approach.

For the record, my air box is still in stock form.

It seems like the best ways to get more power out of these OHV motors is not in the intake, but in cams, headwork, or exhaust (headers)... short of F/I of course.

 

[Big Jim M]

I'd sure like to know

Disagree. If the intake/filter is restrictive, or has additional filters or elements added to suppress sound or serve some other purposes besides performance, and you remove those restrictions, you will get more power out of the motor, without changing any of the motors internals.

The reason why the OP's question has merits is because he is asking about a "silencer", which sounds to me like a NVH part. If that part was added to the intake to reduce sound, its possible that it was added at the cost of a few HP on the motor or overall efficiency of the motor. This may not actually be the case here, but there are other vehicles that it truly is, and therefore I don't believe this was a stupid question.

I applaud everyone's efforts to protect the noobs, but calling his questions stupid or yelling at him was the wrong approach.

For the record, my air box is still in stock form.

It seems like the best ways to get more power out of these OHV motors is not in the intake, but in cams, headwork, or exhaust (headers)... short of F/I of course.

I'd like to know just which vehicles DO HAVE restrictive intakes.. Can you please provide some evidence of how much restriction and which vehicles that occurs on..
Big JIm

 

[rkneeshaw]

I'd like to know just which vehicles DO HAVE restrictive intakes.. Can you please provide some evidence of how much restriction and which vehicles that occurs on..
Big JIm

http://www.musclecarclub.com/library/tech/intake.shtml

Just the first result on google.

Here's another:

http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/techarticles/20142_k_n_air_filter_test/index.html

 

[rkneeshaw]

Newer car showing gains with an aftermarket intake only.

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/is-...-vs-joe-z-i-e-vs-k-and-n-i-joe-z-exhaust.html

Jim, I'm expecting more from you than to say no cars have restrictive intakes.... You should retract that statement if you are concerned about false informing noobs.....

 

[Big Jim M]

Wow!!!

Newer car showing gains with an aftermarket intake only.

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/is-...-vs-joe-z-i-e-vs-k-and-n-i-joe-z-exhaust.html

Jim, I'm expecting more from you than to say no cars have restrictive intakes.... You should retract that statement if you are concerned about false informing noobs.....

Don't give me Jegs, Mucsle Car magazine and K & N filter advertisments!!
Damn man! How do you think them guys make a living? Telling the TRUTH? If they did that all three of them would be out of business.

Again NAME a vehicle that has a restrictive intake system for the engine in it.
I betcha ya can't. You are being victimized by these advertisments.
Even the president did it when he was elected on CHANGE!
Because there are so many NOVICES owning vehicles them ads can get away with near anything.. and you believe them?
Big JIm