44s under a ranger? how?

[mhughes165]

250 hp max with 44's on a d44


swap in 60's with 4 in fullsize springs and some fender trimming will fit 44's with room to play. 40 fill my wells perfect

do your read whats typed before you respond, i said ATLEAST a 250hp small block, not max, and well duh, 4" fullsize springs(if ur going leaf sprung) gives u about 8" on a rangerthen of cousrs itll clear with fender trimming.

i said u need a 8" fullsize lift to clear 44's, which will give u about 12" of lift staying coil sprung up front(they do sell the radius arm wedges you can weld on the 60 housing) ive done it before, and then the body lift will just give u enoguh room not to cut the fenders, were on the same page if u actually read what i had said

 

[ignerntkneece]

I was wonderin if an f-150 lift would be more on a ranger than an f-150. i got some stock 79 springs then i got my stock ranger springs and measured them and there is a 3 or 4 inch difference thanks for the info mhughes165.

 

[metalmacguyver]

Yeah it would lift you more. It would also ride like a brick. Theres more to a lift than just springs.

 

[bobbywalter]

do your read whats typed before you respond, i said ATLEAST a 250hp small block, not max, and well duh, 4" fullsize springs(if ur going leaf sprung) gives u about 8" on a rangerthen of cousrs itll clear with fender trimming.

i said u need a 8" fullsize lift to clear 44's, which will give u about 12" of lift staying coil sprung up front(they do sell the radius arm wedges you can weld on the 60 housing) ive done it before, and then the body lift will just give u enoguh room not to cut the fenders, were on the same page if u actually read what i had said

yes i read it.


and my statement is 250 hp is the max.


you go over 250 hp and the 44 is a goner. unless your on ice.


4 in lift spring from a fullsize can give you no lift to whatever you want, no hard and fast rule i know of..

i said u need a 8" fullsize lift to clear 44's, which will give u about 12" of lift staying coil sprung up front

what makes an 8 in lift for a fullsize give 12 inches on an rbv?

do you read before you post?

its not semantics....but whats an 8 in fullsize lift to clear 44's?

simply limit up travel and trim the fenders, use whatever you want to spring it.


i sure as hell wasnt baggin on ya, i have 5 in lift 3 in b/l and trimmed fenders. with limiters i can squeeze 44's on like hawgs.

 

[mhughes165]

we can debate this all day, and i know a 8" f-150 suspension lift will net 12" on a ranger due to weight and spring rate....and the fact that its what i do for a living and have done about 12 seperate trucks with full width f-150 axles.

i think underpowered is worse then being overpowered when it comes to a wheeling rig, theres nothing worse then not being able to keep the wheels spining and snagging all at once and snapping a u-joint because of it

a box bronco 44 with a set of molys, some beefier u-joints will hold 44's of the ground hawg/gumbo mudder variety. i wheeled my old 86 small block ranger with eb rears on 44" gumbo's and i only ever broke a front moly axle once, which actually i got replaced under warranty, so its no biggie.

personally i just dont like the look of hacked out fenders, rather keep a full fender vehicle unless im building a strictly mud truck and i dont care about the vehicel......but then again im the guy that cleans everything on the truck after everytime out.

 

[mhughes165]

im not trying to come off as a dick, but im just sayin it can be done, do i reccomend it to the average person, no, for the average person you will be snapping axles and ujoints all the time with anything bigger the 38's on a d44

 

[JohnnyU]

i think underpowered is worse then being overpowered when it comes to a wheeling rig, theres nothing worse then not being able to keep the wheels spining and snagging all at once and snapping a u-joint because of it

In over three years of running a fully locked D35/8.8 in my less-than-90-hp Ranger, I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you. My professional experience will also lead me to disagree with you. Adequate power is the name of the game.

personally i just dont like the look of hacked out fenders, rather keep a full fender vehicle unless im building a strictly mud truck and i dont care about the vehicel......but then again im the guy that cleans everything on the truck after everytime out.

I personally think that whatever needs to be done to fit the desired tire size should be done. I hate the look of an overly tall rig just because someone didn't want to cut their fenders. Stability and functionality should take precedent over aesthetics. If you can get away with a lower lift height because you trimmed your fenders, you'll have a significantly lower COG, thus resulting in greater stability and functionality.

 

[mhughes165]

In over three years of running a fully locked D35/8.8 in my less-than-90-hp Ranger, I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you. My professional experience will also lead me to disagree with you. Adequate power is the name of the game.



I personally think that whatever needs to be done to fit the desired tire size should be done. I hate the look of an overly tall rig just because someone didn't want to cut their fenders. Stability and functionality should take precedent over aesthetics. If you can get away with a lower lift height because you trimmed your fenders, you'll have a significantly lower COG, thus resulting in greater stability and functionality.

im running 38.5 gumbos on my ranger now with 5.5" lift and a 3" body lift....without trimming the fenders AT ALL. my truck isnt overly tall and i still have room to flex, when i get my camera back i will be taking pictures.

i know about keeping you center of gravity low, but some of the mud i play in id rather be a little bit higher up so it doesnt get caught up under the bed.......

also another reason i run full fenders is chopped fenders unless they have full coverage bushwackers(which will crack with ANY wheeling) are strictly a no no and will get u a ticket for a hazardous vehicle.....i know its ridiculous, but its NJ what do ya want

 

[bobbywalter]

yes. i see.


i dont like mud, and if a guy needs a "mud truck" due to where he lives, its gonna have to be tall by its very nature. whats the point in driving through 1 foot mud holes with 44 in tires.

a trail truck is a different animal. a rock truck/buggy yet another.

if you were running a truck with 44 in tires on a d44 with over 250 hp....hell 200 hp that had u joints in it and only broke one axle chromo or not....you either only wheeled it a few times, or your definition of wheeling is 6 pages off from mine.


i have wheeled most of the types of stuff this country has to offer newyork on down the carolinas to california, and the fun stuff (for me) is sub 200 hp with chromo 60's a doubler and 40-44 in tires. at that level your still busting d60 shafts, knuckles ect on a regular basis, along with the rear d70 shafts....i watch this happen consistantly along with all the links being ripped off the frame ect, and got it on tape a few occasions.


the medium stuff that i do regularly(due to where i live)easily tolerates 400 hp with 60's, smart driving in single low.....but you better be real smart going past that if your in tractive/slip conditions in areas of pa and tucky/tennesee. a cromo d44 with 40's dont have a prayer for what i get into with a 300 hp rig. i unlocked my d35 and lived with brake bias to get by because a 44 in my particular case would be a pathetic waste of time. on the other hand a 44 with 60 shafts and outers and a 35 spline carrier would work great. till i got into rocks, then there is possible gear issues. but i think it would be fine. eventually i will live where my favorite places are so thats what i am biasing towards build wise.


i have worked on many trucks...dozens with tranny swaps to axles and engines. work on alot of drivability issuse over the last 20 years, mostly jeep big chevy and rbv with swap axle drive complaints...cause thats what i run with, and to say a fullsize 8 in lift gives an rbv 12, i am guesing thats using stock buckets with a stock truck.

i can easily and safely make that same 8 in fullsize lift give that same fullsize truck 12 inches of lift.


theres more then one way to cut and modify fenders ya know. i wouldnt even install bushwhackers on a vehicle without trying to talk em out of it...tube/pipe and sheet plastic with some shears though...some stand offs......yeah.

then again being in jersey your kind of handcuffed to creativty limiters as well.


clearing 44,s with uncut gen 1 fenders would net me a useless tumble weed for where i wheel. glad you can get away with it.

 

[bobbywalter]

my point is an 8 in fullsize giving 12 on another application is/has not been the case in my experience.


i can take 4 springs from four manufacturers, some with the same advertised rate(i have done this repeatedly, dozens of lift installs) and net different ride heights on the same vehicle with a variance of 1.5+ inches in some cases.

 

[mhughes165]

in jersey there aint much more then mud, aint really got any rocks, unless i want togo all the way to paragon.

and where theres mud around here, theres MUD, its not uncommon around here to be chewing in mud halfway up the truck, i just dont do rocks as much as some guys on here. if i were to build a rock rig then yes, it will be low to the ground as i can get, best ground clearance no fenders etc......

but like i said, i dont build trucks unless i can actually drive them, and in NJ im SOL on driving a rock style truck.

i said to him i donot suggest runnign a 44, simply that if u know what ur doing with it it can survive, just keep the wheel straight with no see sawing the wheel when ur hard on the gas. the small block ranger was the only truck i ran the front 44 in for a wheeler.

if i was in a state where i could legally lift a truckl and drive it more then 11"(thats for a 1 ton truck) total height including tires then id be happier then a pig in shit and id be able to build a real truck the way it needs to be

but like i said, living in NJ is like being a nutered dog

yes. i see.


i dont like mud, and if a guy needs a "mud truck" due to where he lives, its gonna have to be tall by its very nature. whats the point in driving through 1 foot mud holes with 44 in tires.

a trail truck is a different animal. a rock truck/buggy yet another.

if you were running a truck with 44 in tires on a d44 with over 250 hp....hell 200 hp that had u joints in it and only broke one axle chromo or not....you either only wheeled it a few times, or your definition of wheeling is 6 pages off from mine.


i have wheeled most of the types of stuff this country has to offer newyork on down the carolinas to california, and the fun stuff (for me) is sub 200 hp with chromo 60's a doubler and 40-44 in tires. at that level your still busting d60 shafts, knuckles ect on a regular basis, along with the rear d70 shafts....i watch this happen consistantly along with all the links being ripped off the frame ect, and got it on tape a few occasions.


the medium stuff that i do regularly(due to where i live)easily tolerates 400 hp with 60's, smart driving in single low.....but you better be real smart going past that if your in tractive/slip conditions in areas of pa and tucky/tennesee. a cromo d44 with 40's dont have a prayer for what i get into with a 300 hp rig. i unlocked my d35 and lived with brake bias to get by because a 44 in my particular case would be a pathetic waste of time. on the other hand a 44 with 60 shafts and outers and a 35 spline carrier would work great. till i got into rocks, then there is possible gear issues. but i think it would be fine. eventually i will live where my favorite places are so thats what i am biasing towards build wise.


i have worked on many trucks...dozens with tranny swaps to axles and engines. work on alot of drivability issuse over the last 20 years, mostly jeep big chevy and rbv with swap axle drive complaints...cause thats what i run with, and to say a fullsize 8 in lift gives an rbv 12, i am guesing thats using stock buckets with a stock truck.

i can easily and safely make that same 8 in fullsize lift give that same fullsize truck 12 inches of lift.


theres more then one way to cut and modify fenders ya know. i wouldnt even install bushwhackers on a vehicle without trying to talk em out of it...tube/pipe and sheet plastic with some shears though...some stand offs......yeah.

then again being in jersey your kind of handcuffed to creativty limiters as well.


clearing 44,s with uncut gen 1 fenders would net me a useless tumble weed for where i wheel. glad you can get away with it.

 

[bobbywalter]

yeah i would want to have at least 38 in tires to play with the pineys...


my truck would be banned in jersey. they dont like it in pa either...

 

[madmax401]

living in NJ is like being a nutered dog

i love jersey as much as getting my teeth pulled

 

[QuakerShaker4242]

I was wonderin if an f-150 lift would be more on a ranger than an f-150. i got some stock 79 springs then i got my stock ranger springs and measured them and there is a 3 or 4 inch difference thanks for the info mhughes165.

yea if you wanting 44s, a good way to get them without cutting fenders would be to run the 12" chevy leafs from superlift. front and rear 52"ers.

you would have to completely redo the front, but you should expect that part

 

[mhughes165]

yeah i would want to have at least 38 in tires to play with the pineys...


my truck would be banned in jersey. they dont like it in pa either...

well im smack dab in the heart of piney country LOL, the land where the only thing bigger and uglier then the trucks are the women