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850 makes some ...true, but in this application mis-applied so now ridiculous statements....
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he asked questions too...
that "if" is not the case. but...it is either using fuel in eco....or boost.
unlike the other turd...this one has options...get "ok" economy with great power....or ecothurst with ridiculous power. up to you. there are durability issues...but its from fluke stuff..
first off...you two are absolutely correct in your assertions if this 2.3 in question was a lima...
dead balls right on...
850...
you want knowledge or sense.?.? pick up a book for knowledge.
wise man once said you cant fix stupid. common sense is hard.
SINCE it is not so common anymore.
how anyone with the google can not understand the difference between a modern di vvt turbo engine and old school shit is inexcusable.
of course half the population voted for hillary, so its just what it is...people really are this fukin stupid.
i think it is inexcusable regardless.
these engines are not applicable to the facts you two are using.
those facts against a conventional engine are still valid.
these engines are not conventional.
whether ford has huge balls and built these under the heaving brass of those balls, or they were just dumb enough to throw this against the wall to see if it would stick and just got lucky... we could recklessly speculate till the world ends.
this engine is NOT working hard in the
sense you pretend to understand. its complicated. they would have built these engines a 100 years ago but did not have a way to do it till now.
and its still sketchy.
we have discussed this before, and unless you use an ecoboost its hard to understand what it is the little buggars do.
this engine is not one engine.
it is not making heat wastefully like you seem to think you understand. the flame-front control afforded by direct injection is revolutionary....epic for the control of flame-front propagation.
the correct amount of fuel is sprayed directly into the process and at the best time we can muster at this point...
all the air has to do is get into the chamber. no quench or cool issue due to weight of fuel in air charge ect..
this makes the load on everything magnitudes less for power generated.
you have more then one camshaft on the fly....
you have the best possible cam profile for low end (within the little turbos limits)....hence the instant boost and torque in numbers unattainable with a conventional engine.
you have the best profile for mid range (within the little turbos limits)
you have the best profile for top end...and this end again....is all limited by the tiny turbo..
if you sequential turbo this thing...it would make even more power in a powerband range that is unimaginable by this old engine builder.
it would probably pull 80 percent to 8 grand...1500-8000 flat as a board monster power curve....with minimal waste....and way less heat. because.
knowledge word of the day 850....efficiency. all that gobbledygook is a description of efficiency.
my 5000 pound edge got 32 hiway and 18-22 hammering on it.
and no....efficiency..not the same amount of heat.
yeah.....sct....hpt.......cobb.....mongoose....drewlink...
you can have it all.
okay....
i have decided...we will take a vote to rename you RUSTY JR.
whats that based on?
you have a 150 ecoboost.
and you think a cai wont increase power? in your case...two separate air filters..??
how sure are you of that? bet money sure?
overall....these engines are indeed epic and revolutionary. i really dig them.
they are also extremely complicated...and have serious issues built into them...
look at the front drive units with the chain drive water pump. the hpfp and 8 miles of timing chain make for some expensive maintenance issues. at least the trucks dont have that disaster...
but. i think this 2.3 will fare well. it dont make the normally correlated heat because it has 10 gears to spread the load over and has stupid power down low due to vvt and direct injection...
yes...more then any n/a big 6 and making less heat and with less stress on the pistons doing it.
as much as i dig them it bums me out too...
my personal p/u truck application precludes it from my main rig as being cost effective...
but i still want one.
one thing is true....when your making power your using fuel.
based on lifted trucks with the 3.5 eb and 37 inch tires, installing one in my truck would produce the same or less mpg then the v8 diesel.
and the ecoboost dont run on alternative fuels either. it just wont gobble down old oil and trans fluid like the old idi...
there is a reason for that diesel winning that fight....but not going there with you today RUSTY JR..
ecoboost haters
haters gonna hate