Coronavirus

[Jim Oaks]

It wouldn't be so bad if the needle didn't have a hook in it.

I hate you.

 

[Dirtman]

So I've been away, I know my buddy got it and was really sick last week, aparently all 3 of his kids tested positive too. The two youngest are mildy sick, the teenager has no symptoms but still positive for it.

Guess who didn't get it? His wife who got vaccinated...

 

[8thTon]

Studies in both Israel and the UK have demonstrated significant reduction in both asymptomatic and symptomatic cases.

Here's another one showing decreased viral load with vaccinated populations.

From the Israeli link :"The study, yet to be peer-reviewed...." so scratch that one.

The UK link is at least peer reviewed, but it's as old as the FDA I posted and sure has some curious info. Apparently there it only helps prevent asymptomatic infection if you take a half dose then a full dose, but if you take two full doses it's useless? No more news about this in the last 4 months? "The Oxford and AstraZeneca covid-19 vaccine prevented some asymptomatic covid-19 infections in phase III trials, but the effect was mainly seen in the group who received a half dose first, followed by a full dose, the peer reviewed efficacy results have shown.

The study, published in the Lancet, found that vaccine efficacy against asymptomatic transmission was 59% in the group that received a half dose followed by a standard dose (seven cases among 1120 participants versus 17 cases among 1127 participants in the control group), but just 4% in the group that received two standard doses (22 among 2168 participants versus 23 among 2223 for the control)."

Where is the evidence that reduced viral loads reduce transmission? "These reduced viral loads hint at a potentially lower infectiousness, further contributing to vaccine effect on virus spread."

The statements you keep claiming as fact are reliably absurd. It's beyond time for you to reconsider where you get your news.

The only thing I posted was from the FDA - perhaps you should write them to tell them what they claim is absurd?

If you search on reduced covid transmission after vaccination what you get are pages of MSM articles loaded with hedges - may, might, possibly, etc. - and no science.

 

[8thTon]

So I've been away, I know my buddy got it and was sick last week, now all 3 of his kids tested positive and have it.

Guess who didn't get it? His wife who got vaccinated...

You would hope that it did what they claim, which is to reduce "symptomatic covid". Did it prevent her from acquiring the virus or passing it on? Of course you'd have no way to know.

 

[fastpakr]

You keep attributing something to the FDA that relies entirely on you misrepresenting them.

At this point there's no room to allow for you having done it by accident.

 

[fastpakr]

Continuing to pretend that the term 'main stream' makes something immediately suspect is only a reflection on your willful decision to trust only the news that comes from the underbelly of the internet.

 

[8thTon]

You keep attributing something to the FDA that relies entirely on you misrepresenting them.

At this point there's no room to allow for you having done it by accident.

I'll repost the direct quote from the FDA for convenience:

"The vaccine was 95% effective in preventing COVID-19 disease among these clinical trial participants with eight COVID-19 cases in the vaccine group and 162 in the placebo group. Of these 170 COVID-19 cases, one in the vaccine group and three in the placebo group were classified as severe. At this time, data are not available to make a determination about how long the vaccine will provide protection, nor is there evidence that the vaccine prevents transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from person to person."

Since you've claimed that I intentionally misrepresented what that means, how about you tell me what the "correct" interpretation is? Note that I made no comment on any part of the quote expect the last bold section on transmission. It's a pretty simple and clear sentence to me, but I realize that in Woke land words can mean whatever you want them to.

 

[fastpakr]

Again, that quote was written five months ago to acknowledge that there was limited data at the time to prove it prevented transmission.

They didn't say that it doesn't prevent transmission.
Evidence since that time clearly demonstrates that it does.

Continuing to present that statement in some other way is simply false.

 

[pjtoledo]

damn, that needle was big,,,really big

 

[Dirtman]

Did it prevent her from acquiring the virus or passing it on? Of course you'd have no way to know.

Its called testing... She never tested positive after being in a house full of 4 people who did test positive.

 

[Uncle Gump]

And really really LOnGGGGGGGGGGGG

 

[Jim Oaks]

damn, that needle was big,,,really big

And really really LOnGGGGGGGGGGGG

 

[sgtsandman]

I'm told the needle is square too instead of the usual round style.

 

[ericbphoto]

I'm told the needle is square too instead of the usual round style.

Might as well be torx shaped if they're gonna make it weird.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Might as well be torx shaped if they're gonna make it weird.

I didn't actually watch so I can't comment on jf it was square or torx style.