cheap ideas for improveing power


This thread is never going to die!
I think we should all refer to "How to use a shovel" by AllanD, If you remember it....lol
 
Just to clear this bit up, that's not my profile, one of the people I work with decided to correct your obvious stupidity. .

Surely a genius such as yourself doesn't have to work a job that requires nightshift. Because that "co-worker" of yours posted at 3 something in the AM....
 
An internal combustion engine, of any sort, gasoline, propane, diesle, wankle (rotary for you morons), etc.... Is nothing more than an energy converter.

I've been fighting the urge to make any comments relating to the state of this argument, but now I cannot help it. Rudolph Diesel and Felix Wankel were brilliant men. Diesel's legacy is blatantly obvious. Wankel was a self-taught engineer who never even attended a university. The least you can do is show some respect by SPELLING THEIR NAMES CORRECTLY! No, this is not some cheap shot at your excessively poor spelling and grammar. If you ever expect people to take you seriously (which is clearly not going well), the least you could do is proof-read your posts. If your ego is preventing your fingers from hitting the proper keys, you could aways use the conveniently-sized mouse button to click on the 'Check Spelling' icon before posting. If you are unable to do that, then I guess we are all just out of luck.

I am not going to add to the actual argument in either regard because I am reasonable enough to recognize that I simply don't have enough experience to convey a strong argument. In my 22 years of existence, I have learned that my opinion is not the only one, and that EVERYTHING is relative. Experiences differ drastically, and so forums like this are around to give everyone an opportunity to share their perspective. Evidently your perfectionist upbringing leaves you unwilling to accept that you are fighting a losing battle. You are welcome to believe whatever you want, but finding it necessary to refer to other people as 'morons' (while using your MENSA status as a crutch to your waning argument) is downright childish.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that you, sir, are an a$$hole.*



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I've been fighting the urge to make any comments relating to the state of this argument, but now I cannot help it. Rudolph Diesel and Felix Wankel were brilliant men. Diesel's legacy is blatantly obvious. Wankel was a self-taught engineer who never even attended a university. The least you can do is show some respect by SPELLING THEIR NAMES CORRECTLY! No, this is not some cheap shot at your excessively poor spelling and grammar. If you ever expect people to take you seriously (which is clearly not going well), the least you could do is proof-read your posts. If your ego is preventing your fingers from hitting the proper keys, you could aways use the conveniently-sized mouse button to click on the 'Check Spelling' icon before posting. If you are unable to do that, then I guess we are all just out of luck.

I am not going to add to the actual argument in either regard because I am reasonable enough to recognize that I simply don't have enough experience to convey a strong argument. In my 22 years of existence, I have learned that my opinion is not the only one, and that EVERYTHING is relative. Experiences differ drastically, and so forums like this are around to give everyone an opportunity to share their perspective. Evidently your perfectionist upbringing leaves you unwilling to accept that you are fighting a losing battle. You are welcome to believe whatever you want, but finding it necessary to refer to other people as 'morons' (while using your MENSA status as a crutch to your waning argument) is downright childish.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that you, sir, are an a$$hole.*



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Is this going to be the 2007 version of the "Charlie Wenzel" thread? Minus the gears?:icon_thumby:
 
It makes absolutely no sense to me, why you claim that an ignition system upgrade will not improve performance. The mod is done on almost a daily basis, simply because it improves power and economy without pulling your engine apart. People all over the country are running aftermarket ignition components for the simple fact that they noticed an improvement.

No, I do not proof read my post, it's not that important to me. At this point it doesn't matter what I type, I will be critisized. It seems that these people have made it their goal to proove me wrong, even after stating some of the formulas, theroms, and names of scientists that make my point. One guy even went as far, as to comment about my long hair. (Ironically he has a greased up guy in womans underwear posted on his, a bit insecure if you ask me). :flipoff:

I do work nightshift, as a preference. Some people just prefer to be out at night. To be honest, I find a majority of society annoying. They worry more about who's going to win American Idol more than whos in the race for the whitehouse. I choose to be out at night, just so I don't have to be around them.

this thread was started buy another guy, wanting to know cheap ways to improve the performance of his truck, but shortly into this, you people have managed to turn it into a "proove-this-guy-wrong" forum. It's now became a pointless ramble of critisizm.
 
One guy even went as far, as to comment about my long hair. (Ironically he has a greased up guy in womans underwear posted on his, a bit insecure if you ask me). :flipoff:

Now, you have to take into consideration, when making remarks toward ones own personal disposition that merely judging "insecureness" soley upon a picture is rather misleading. When I made the remark towards your long hair I fabricated the definitions "redneck" and "mullet", I put together a number of factors including your unmistakably bad grammar and word usage and your extreme ignorance(which is a seen trait of said profiles) in a variety of situations, where in your own ineptitude you could not effectively establish and prove how making small improvements to a the ignition system in the stock engine under discussion, would make a practical increase in power and acceleration and when compared to the money that would be spent in order to obtain said "improvement", would be a beneficial gain and "worth it" to the OP.

Am I insecure? Yeah, with with original 6.25in carrier in the rear axle of my Fiat, I figure it's going to blow up any day now. Am I predominately insecure, as you were possibly referring to, no. I have a good job, a good life, and an even better girl friend. I sense an insecurity in you though, when getting irritated and possibly irate from an all together wisecrack remark from myself regarding you choice of hairstyle, which was purely a comicality. I wonder where else you are insecure.

I do not doubt you have mucho knowledge/experience in the ic engine workings, but being ignorant and disregarding MANY other respected peoples remarks and opinions is in itself an insecurity with ones own knowledge and experience, accepting only that of your own thinking is imperceptive.

I agree with you that a better ignition SYSTEM can add some marginal gains in power, on a modified engine that is. My argument is on the one in discussion, a stock 2.3.

By the way, Arnold is kick-ass! Get to chopper!
 
It's true that few folks have commented on the facts, so I will.

You used a textbook application of Newtonian physics, converting potential (well, really chemical) energy to kinetic energy. And it was VIOLENLTY WRONG, about what I'd expect from a green freshman just as energy conservation was introduced. It describes the motion of a mass on an ideal massless spring, or dropping a rock in vacuum. It's correct for orbital motion. It's IRRELEVANT here. It's not even correct for the closely related and highly simplified case of a cannon (also known as a cylinder with no connecting rod). And here's why.

It's not a closed system. Energy leaves the cylinder via direct heat conduction (into the oil and water jacket), through the exhaust, and through frictional losses at the rings, connecting rods, and crankshaft. The connecting rod PREVENTS some of the energy from being converted to mechanical energy, in favor of heat. Virtually all gasoline engines runs at about half perfect thermal efficiency (I've done the calculation -- have you?). Energy flow through the radiator, exhaust, and crankshaft are all approximately equal for a conventional gasoline engine. While you might affect that with a BAD spark plug (not in the direction you want), you're strictly bounded above (and not at all far above) by how much you can improve. Thermal efficiency is less than perfect for a number of reasons, not the least of which is geometrical constraints. The piston's location is determined by the rotating crankshaft, and it doesn't line up with the constant-energy lines you would need for perfect thermal efficiency.

Sorry, you get a D.

Also, , if you think the spark contributes significantly to cylinder heat, why do you suppose no one has invented an internal heating engine that works that way? No need for fuel; just heat the air with a spark running off a battery.

And since you seem to have some high school introduction to energy conservation, you ought to be able to calculate the energy deposited into the cylinder by a 30 kV spark. Make the same calculation for stoichiometric gasoline and tell us if that's significant or not. The match analogy, which for some reason you have dismissed, is entirely apt here. The point of the spark is to light off the fuel, nothing more. There are some internal combustion engines that DON'T HAVE SPARKS (at least, not in normal operation). These include major workhorses such as Diesel and gas-turbine (jet) engines.

Oh, and many engines use "waste spark systems" that actually fire the spark plugs a second time, during the exhaust stroke. Why? No, it's not to burn the extra fuel off -- the exhaust valve is open, so it would backfire. And the power stroke is over so it can't affect power, except perhaps by wasting energy (were it actually significant). It's so one can use half as many coils (3 on a 6cyl, 4 on an 8cyl, etc.) in the absence of a distributor.
 
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...The mod is done on almost a daily basis...

You know the old saying...there's a fool born every minute. There are a lot of things that are done on a daily basis in this country which have no merit and no value overall.


...I do work nightshift, as a preference. Some people just prefer to be out at night.

Are you a Vampire?
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T.
 
Are you a Vampire?
T.

cheap ideas for improveing power
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Louis-Victor de Broglie (1892-1987)
Erwin Shrodinger (1887-1961) awarded Nobel Prize in 1933
William Hamilton (1805-1865)
Niels Bohr (1885-1962) awarded Nobel Prize in physics 1922

You know, I just noticed this.

Four scientists to drop names about. All of them one would get from a physical chemistry book. And not one that did any combustion research....

Care to explain what the relation between the momentum and wavenumber of a quantum has to do with combustion? Combustion can be explained with classical chemistry and classical gas dynamics. It's fundamentally a quantum process in the same sense that the earth's orbit around the sun is. But no one in their right mind would try to calculate the semimajor axis from Schroedinger's (note spelling) Equation. Not when Keplerian dynamics works just fine....

And classical dynamics doesn't back up what you said anyway. The internal energy of a gas in a cylinder has two extra, rather important terms beyond kinetic energy, due to its pressure*volume and temperature*entropy. But that's Maxwell (oops, forgot him....).

Or are we doing kinetic theory and tracking 10^25 fuel and air particles with more than a dozen species and hundreds of interaction types? The Saha Equation is going to be a bitch (oh, oops; that's not Freshman chemistry; you might have to wait for senior P-chem or even grad school for that). And really not necessary.
 
Have any of you even attempted the math. You are all quick to use other names and equations, but not one really has shown all that much effort to provide a mathematical proof that I am wrong.
 
Have any of you even attempted the math. You are all quick to use other names and equations, but not one really has shown all that much effort to provide a mathematical proof that I am wrong.

I think the burden of proof is on you, sir. Show us the math!
 
Several of us have done more calculations than you have.

And isn't it the height of arrogance to insist a whole board of people has to prove YOU wrong? You made the extraordinary claims; prove them.

No one is going to spend a lot of effort on you because no one thinks you have the slightest clue. Where the F would one start? I'm having trouble finding ANYthing correct in any of your posts.
 

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