Oil Filters

[eb89]

I wan't "implying" anything. I asked about engine damage from the "clunking" filters. No answer.

You keep asking about catastrophic engine failure or damage caused by the 'faulty' fram filters. First off, no one said that they caused extensive engine damage. Some have said that it causing pinging (not catastrophic damage). One has said that he could hear the filter element rattling around (once again, not catastrophic engine damage). I mean lay off the subject of engine damage, we are discussing the quality of filters and they are mentioning their problems that they have had with fram. How can you argue that you have heard no proof when he said the filter element was rattling around. Why would he make that up? And other people have had minor problems (not engine failure) with fram's. Do you think its some sort of conspiracy against you and everyone is making all this up to mess with your mind? Thats rediculous. This is a discussion of oil filters and they are telling their experiences with fram's. they aren't just saying I hate fram for no reason. They have a reason. You said you go from experience and so do they. And they are sharing that experience. It doesn't mean they are all full of shit and jumping on the bandwagon. It means that they do not like them because of the aforementioned experiences they have had with them. I personally can't say anything bad about them because I haven't used one. And that experiment that guy did was simply that, an experiment. he may not be an engineer but he wanted to compare their construction and thats what he did. Its up to you to decide what to do with the information that he presented. It was simply a comparison of construction and (in general) using better constructed material is a better idea.

 

[Bob Ayers]

You keep asking about catastrophic engine failure or damage caused by the 'faulty' fram filters. First off, no one said that they caused extensive engine damage. Some have said that it causing pinging (not catastrophic damage). One has said that he could hear the filter element rattling around (once again, not catastrophic engine damage). I mean lay off the subject of engine damage, we are discussing the quality of filters and they are mentioning their problems that they have had with fram. How can you argue that you have heard no proof when he said the filter element was rattling around. Why would he make that up? And other people have had minor problems (not engine failure) with fram's. Do you think its some sort of conspiracy against you and everyone is making all this up to mess with your mind? Thats rediculous. This is a discussion of oil filters and they are telling their experiences with fram's. they aren't just saying I hate fram for no reason. They have a reason. You said you go from experience and so do they. And they are sharing that experience. It doesn't mean they are all full of shit and jumping on the bandwagon. It means that they do not like them because of the aforementioned experiences they have had with them. I personally can't say anything bad about them because I haven't used one. And that experiment that guy did was simply that, an experiment. he may not be an engineer but he wanted to compare their construction and thats what he did. Its up to you to decide what to do with the information that he presented. It was simply a comparison of construction and (in general) using better constructed material is a better idea.

These were in the threads I posted for Shady, obviously along with his other problems, he has a reading comprehension problem:


"We killed a $30,000 race engine one time because of those junky ass Fram filters. We swore off of them after that. The oil filter came apart and got into the dry sump pump. Locked it down and starved the engine at 9200 rpms. By the time I caught it... it was too late. Crank, rods, etc."


"I have to add one I had forgotten about, I know no one likes rice cars on here but this was a fram horror story. I used to drive an old civic with the oil pump down in the pan,driven off of the cam by a drive shaft through the engine. was forced to use a fram one time,because the other filter had developed a gasket leak, no other brand was in stock, figured i would replace it as soon as another filter came in. this wasn't a stock junk engine, this was one that i had rebuilt myself with some pretty rare racing parts. was fine for about ten miles, then right in the middle of an intersection, BAM!! and the oil warning light came on and the gauge bottomed. cost me 70 bucks to have it towed home, on teardown, the pump was locked, the pump drive shaft was twisted, and when it froze, it sheared the driven teeth off of it,and the drive teeth off of the cam. that cam was one i had custom made and it was over a half a grand. of course you can guess what i found inside of the pump. NEVER USE FRAM!!"


"DO NOT use Fram brand filters. I know personally of one engine failure due to the filter check valve coming apart and clogging the oil pump, blowing the engine."


And check out the first post in this thread:


http://forums.performanceyears.com/forums/showthread.php?t=456026&highlight=fram+filter

 

[Bob Ayers]

Using this logic, I will never again use Motorcraft spark plugs. Personal experience. Changed plugs in my F150. 2 weeks later engine started missing. One of those damned, good for nothing, pieces of shit Motorcraft plugs failed. I'll never use those damned things again.

What a shock Shady!! I would have sworn that you use nothing but Splitfires, or Pulstar plugs, along with your Fram oil filters!!!

I don't guess there isn't even a slight chance that you might have dropped a plug, and cracked the porcelain is there????

 

[sweetwaterbroncoII]

No hard feelings wicked..

 

[Bob Ayers]

I have used Fram filters for years on my own vehicles, as well as customers. Never have I seen one filter related problem.

There must be 2 TRS members named Shadetree........the Shadetree in this thread seems very familiar with what to do with the carnage when a Fram filter fails!!!!


http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37927

"Fram has been good in the past at taking care of their customers when their product fails, but you have to keep the parts and pieces of the filter, and document what you have."

 

[shadetree]

These were in the threads I posted for Shady, obviously along with his other problems, he has a reading comprehension problem:

So? Still not proof of anything. I don't know these people, and do not know the circumstances, nor do I care.

In my original post, I made a simple comment about my own experience with the filters. Someone post the Nize study that is ancient history of some dufus cutting open oil filters, making an uneducated judgement about what he sees, and for some reason this info is taken as gospel, and has been for years. Nize tells you himself to take his information for what it's worth. Before I condemn a product, I want to see a VALID study(this is the umpteenth time I have said this) that the filters are bad. More inexperienced people changing their filters in the backyard, and claiming bad filters is not VALID.

The Fram bashers then start working very hard to convince me of how bad the product is, and how wrong I am. Ok, you think the product is bad, don't use it. I don't think the product is bad, so I will continue to use it. I'm not trying to change anyones mind, that can't be done, and you damned sure aren't going to change mine.

I asked you about your repair facility, and you didn't answer. It's because you don't have one, and the little you know about automobiles, you read on the net somewhere. Come to my garage, Ayers, and you just might learn something. It's one thing to get "snippy" on the forums, and quite another to get your hands dirty.shady

There must be 2 TRS members named Shadetree........the Shadetree in this thread seems very familiar with what to do with the carnage when a Fram filter fails!!!!
http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37927"Fram has been good in the past at taking care of their customers when their product fails, but you have to keep the parts and pieces of the filter, and document what you have."

You evidently haven't read all the posts. I acknowledged that Fram had a problem several years ago with a run of bad filters for motorcycles. Fram took responsibility for the damage caused by the filters.shady

 

[Bob Ayers]

re. Come to my garage, Ayers, and you just might learn something. It's one thing to get "snippy" on the forums, and quite another to get your hands dirty.shady

Shady, I've done everything from rebuilding a 1969 Mach 1 428CJ, to rebuilding the 4 cylinder in my Model T.

Obviously, I know better than to use a Fram oil filter, something you haven't learned yet!

And, I'm not a grease monkey like you, I'm an EE.

Your a looser Shadetree!!!!

 

[shadetree]

Shady, I've done everything from rebuilding a 1969 Mach 1 428CJ, to rebuilding the 4 cylinder in my Model T.

Ayers, there is just a little bit of difference in working on a couple of cars in your backyard, than working on them day in and day out. One gains just a little more knowledge this way.

Obviously, I know better than to use a Fram oil filter, something you haven't learned yet!

Use whatever filter you feel comfortable with. I will continue to do the same, and certainly will not change just because you say so.

And, I'm not a grease monkey like you, I'm an EE.

You just insulted half of the members on this board. Nothing like a little arrogance to show your true colors. Feel better now?

Your a looser Shadetree!!!!

When one can't win a debate, and runs out of intelligent things to say, its time for the name calling. And, by the way Ayers, it's spelled "LOSER."
I'm still in business with clients waiting, so I'm not too much of a loser.

I also see you ignored my question in the maf mod thread on the 3.0 forum.shady

 

[Bob Ayers]

Use whatever filter you feel comfortable with. I will continue to do the same, and certainly will not change just because you say so.

Shady, you may have missed it, but is seems you are the only one that posted in this thread that likes Fram oil filters.....Small mind Shady to
think you are right, and the rest of the world is WRONG!!!

 

[shadetree]

Shady, you may have missed it, but is seems you are the only one that posted in this thread that likes Fram oil filters.....Small mind Shady to
think you are right, and the rest of the world is WRONG!!!

There are others who have used Fram with no problems, and said so in this thread. Re-stating again, I am right for my experience with the product. I am not trying to change anyones mind if they don't have faith in the product.

You and others, are trying to convince me that I am wrong and foolhardy for supporting a product I have had no problems with. People get ticked off at products and mfgr., for various reasons. Some jump on the hate bandwagon to be part of the crowd, or try to show knowledge they don't have. Thru all this, there is no data from any testing organization to support any of the claims.

Any mfgr has poduct failures. The more product produced, the higher the failure rate will be due simply from numbers. It doesn't mean all of the product are bad. When product is found to be bad, and effects large numbers of people, it is taken off the market until the proplem is solved.
There are too many watchdog organizations, and people wanting to sue today for mfgrs to take chances with a defective product.

I am not Fram specific. I use lots of different brands of filter. Whatever the customer specifies or if the customer is not particular, I use whatever I have on the shelf, or if I have to order product I use the stores brand name. I have had no problems that can be attributed to filter construction.

I have had only two filter problems that I can recall. In one instance the customer had changed the filter. When he took the old filter off, the o ring stuck to the block. He replaced the filter without taking the old o ring off the block. Of course, oil went everywhere. He just kept tightening the filter, and when it didn't help, he started cussing the filter. I don't remember the brand.

In the other instance, 327 vette filter had been changed from element to spin on. When doing the change, the cust left the o ring for the adapter out completely. When he started the engine, oil poured out of the filter. He didn't blame the filter, but well could have.

I'm just saying there can be more to problems with filters than the filter being defective. And if you don't know the story behind why there was a problem, or haven't looked at the problem to see what actually happened, then blaming the filter may not be a correct conclusion.shady

 

[Psychopete]

There are others who have used Fram with no problems, and said so in this thread.

FWIW, that was on a SBC. I'd never use one on another 2.9L due to my experience with them using them on a 2.9L. 5.0L will get motorcraft, never had a problem with one ever, and I could really do with out the failure of it due to some problem with an oil filter. $$

Pete

 

[JTH1972]

I've used Fram for so long and not seen any "problems" that i know of, but maybe I just didn't know any different? I think I will end up changing the filter on my truck and see how much of a difference it makes.

 

[sweetwaterbroncoII]

Shady, you may have missed it, but is seems you are the only one that posted in this thread that likes Fram oil filters.....Small mind Shady to
think you are right, and the rest of the world is WRONG!!!

Is shady not entitled to his opinion bob? You have an opinion, and thats ok right? You are quite low to stoop to name calling. How old are you anyway? If you are older than a child, please act like it.

 

[dgndngrngr]

theres only so much you can talk about oil filters

Use whatever damn filter you want!

regular Fram sucks

Tough Guard Fram sucks less

other filters dont suck

the end

 

[RangerJ]

I can say that after I changed from Fram to Motorcraft oil filters my oil pressure increased and the start up and overall engine noise went down. So I am convinced that Fram is not the quality as Motorcraft Do not want to argue about it just stating my experience. Thanks