EB Coils - think I found the unicorn

[CopyKat]

what make and model of spring is this?whats your compressed height from top of spring to bottom? thanks.

The red Spring is a WildHorse Rockcrawler 3.5" lift EB coil. Compressed they sat at around 15"

The Blue ones are Wildhorse Rockcrawlers 5.5" lift EB coils. Compressed they are 17"

 

[littleredrangerhood]

That sounds like a personal problem.....

Only if YOUR woman is that sloppy My girlfriend doesn't have that problem. Don't get the wrong idea, this is all in good fun.

 

[JohnnyU]

Only if YOUR woman is that sloppy My girlfriend doesn't have that problem. Don't get the wrong idea, this is all in good fun.

She'd probably seem loose if you tried it.

 

[4x4junkie]

I agree. This is a 21" long coil. The lower bucket has a 1.5" spacer under it.

The beam will drop further. The rotors were sitting on the ground.

Right now the front mounted shock is my limiter. Once I get the 14" travel one in place It should then become the spring. One day when I have the $$ and the right parts come along.....................

The front shocks were stopping any further movement. damn 12" stroke shocks.

So why were you saying you'd have a hard time getting it in and need spring compressors, then?

Junkie could you get some pics of your recent work?

I should have some probably middle of next week

Nothing. However anytime anyone says anything against the TTB Suspension, they are labeled a "hater", and their opinions are argued over. I made several statements that MANY here would not agree with. I'm not going to argue my opinion with anyone. I've come to the realization that in many cases, but especially mine, TTB just is not the answer.

Well, when you go making such generalized comments like "Screw it, you're just wasting your time polishing that turd, its worthless from the get-go", what are you expecting from those of us who it works perfectly fine for?
I've never said a TTB suspension was for everyone, but just because you became frustrated with some part of it that you couldn't figure out, doesn't mean nobody else can figure it out either.

I do agree putting these things together would be SSOOOO much easier if we had a whole slew of nice aftermarket parts to do it with.
But I also think that if no one ever took on a challenge devoid of "aftermarket" parts, we wouldn't have any solid axle either, or even a vehicle to put over it. We'd still be hoofin' it around like the cavemen did.

 

[JohnnyU]

I say tomato, you say tomahto.

Short version is TTB isn't the end-all suspension. Everything reaches a level where it cannot perform any better no matter what parts are bolted to it. In my opinion, I reached that point for the type of terrain my truck sees. The TTB is a mud plow, as much as I like trails, I see more mud than anything. It's as simple as that. And since I didn't want to spend the time to find a good coil that would work with my truck, and have decided to go solid axle, that makes me a hater.

rangerhood - Do whatever it is that you want. I suggest that you do all the work required to find the "right" coil instead of just guessing. I got tired of ordering one spring and getting something completely different from Sean....

 

[littleredrangerhood]

rangerhood - Do whatever it is that you want. I suggest that you do all the work required to find the "right" coil instead of just guessing. I got tired of ordering one spring and getting something completely different from Sean....

Well, the springs are on their way. I will definitely post up my results.

 

[CopyKat]

So why were you saying you'd have a hard time getting it in and need spring compressors, then?

I can easily fit a 24" long coil in my setup maybe even longer. Again the upper coil buckets I used are F150 TTB buckets. And they are 3" taller than the RBV bucket.

If he plans to use the stock RBV bucket that is 3" less room he has to work with.

23" long coil is pretty long.

Without proper seats top and bottom the coil bow is going to be visible.and the nature of the TTB you'll get more the taller you get.

I'm interested to see what comes of this. I may be wrong and manybe those springs are what he needs, but I don't think he will be happy with the results. If he hasn't done the math first.

The front travel I have is pretty even right to left.

This is with a 235-360 coil

 

[4x4junkie]

I can easily fit a 24" long coil in my setup maybe even longer. Again the upper coil buckets I used are F150 TTB buckets. And they are 3" taller than the RBV bucket.

If he plans to use the stock RBV bucket that is 3" less room he has to work with.

I'm not sure I see the difference between your buckets being higher, and his axle brackets being taller, it still opens up the same amount of room to put the coil in.
If I had 4.5" lift axle brackets and stock (unmodified) RBV buckets, I'd still have the same amount of room for the coil as I do now (about 24" at droop).

Your lower cups being raised up like that reduces the space available for the coil though.

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I say tomato, you say tomahto.

Short version is TTB isn't the end-all suspension. Everything reaches a level where it cannot perform any better no matter what parts are bolted to it. In my opinion, I reached that point for the type of terrain my truck sees. The TTB is a mud plow, as much as I like trails, I see more mud than anything. It's as simple as that. And since I didn't want to spend the time to find a good coil that would work with my truck, and have decided to go solid axle, that makes me a hater.

Dude... the simple act of just swapping to a solid axle doesn't make you a hater (at least not in MY opinion anyway).
Someone who comes on here and starts bashing on it with no good reason and generalizing that it's junk (often showing their ignorance by spreading misinformation about it in the process) is who would normally get branded a "hater".

You said you do more mud than anything, and that the TTB plows too much in it. I think that's a very valid reason to prefer the solid axle for it's slimmer profile (why not go portals even?). Certainly that wouldn't be near as much of a concern for those who don't see the mud as much though.

Anyway, it sounds a bit like you're thinking of dumping your Ranger entirely (not just swapping the axle). I seem to recall you putting a lot of time and work into that truck (cage, sliders, etc) so it's a bit sad to see you getting rid of it, but good luck on whatever you decide to do.

 

[JohnnyU]

Anyway, it sounds a bit like you're thinking of dumping your Ranger entirely (not just swapping the axle). I seem to recall you putting a lot of time and work into that truck (cage, sliders, etc) so it's a bit sad to see you getting rid of it, but good luck on whatever you decide to do.

Yea, I'm done with the Ranger. It's listed for sale, but I may just end up chopping it up and parting it out. I'm sure you remember my post over on BII.org about it. I'm tired of battling with the rust and general erosion of the truck. The body isn't solid enough to swap to another chassis, and the chassis isn't worth enough to swap a body onto. The effort required to swap engines/transmissions (the 4cyl isn't going to cut it anymore), and axles just isn't justifiable into something that needs so much work. It's a great rig and is very capable, but it's just not going to cut it for the plans I have for a rig. I'm not leaving, I'm just going dormant for a little while.

I'll keep you up to date on progress I make with my next project....

 

[CopyKat]

I'm not sure I see the difference between your buckets being higher, and his axle brackets being taller, it still opens up the same amount of room to put the coil in.
If I had 4.5" lift axle brackets and stock (unmodified) RBV buckets, I'd still have the same amount of room for the coil as I do now (about 24" at droop).

Your lower cups being raised up like that reduces the space available for the coil though.

The lower bucket is only1.5" higher. the upper is 3" Right now I can fit a 24" coil easily without the lower rise. 21" easily with the rise.

23" with rise may be tight. 23" without rise will be fine. Now lower that with the RBV bucket......Spring compressor time. i'm only using the 4" pivots. I could go more with the 6" pivots but I don't want to. 5.5" lift is more than enough.....if not too high.

The 6" F150 superflex coils I've been looking at are 300 Lb/in and 24" free. They are linear coils with one more loop than the WH coils I run now.

 

[littleredrangerhood]

The 6" F150 superflex coils I've been looking at are 300 Lb/in and 24" free. They are linear coils with one more loop than the WH coils I run now.

I'll believe it when I see it. What manufacturer?

 

[rickcdewitt]

with all these springs getting thrown around its hard to keep track of whos got what.what springs do you all have installed right now-how much lift-how soft/streetable are they.if i could do a little thread jacking also what do you thinks needed for about 4" and closer to 300lb in than 200 lb in.i have double shocks with duff buckets(i'll cut them up if need be).i want more flex and street manners(at least where it don't scare me to drive on highway)

 

[littleredrangerhood]

with all these springs getting thrown around its hard to keep track of whos got what.what springs do you all have installed right now-how much lift-how soft/streetable are they.if i could do a little thread jacking also what do you thinks needed for about 4" and closer to 300lb in than 200 lb in.i have double shocks with duff buckets(i'll cut them up if need be).i want more flex and street manners(at least where it don't scare me to drive on highway)

I currently have 6" SJ coils up front but since I have a super cab I am running the 4" pivot holes which gives about 4.5" of lift. I can look at my list later this afternoon to give you some other coils' ratings and lengths. There will definitely be a trade off between flex and street manners when moving to a softer coil. Personally, I don't know if I would be changing the front coils and buckets in my truck if it was still on the road or a DD. There is a LOT of liability involved when you start to mess with suspension and such. However, I admit that I was running on the road with no sway bars and homemade extended radius arms for about a year before I retired the truck to offroad only but I drove the truck less than 3,000 miles in that year.

 

[JFA_Spyderman]

Here is the link to the coils (i believe) that Copykat is reffering to. I am looking at them as well. I emailed JBG and they said the rate is 300#.
http://broncograveyard.com/bronco/i-23209_super_flex_coils__4_inch_lift.htm

 

[littleredrangerhood]

I have those springs marked down as being 190 lb/in. Unless they changed the rating since the last time I checked, either they gave me the wrong number initially or you are talking with someone at JBG that is getting confused.

Part #23210 are 300lb/in but they are 27" long free length.

rickcdewitt:
I don't think there is really any spring out there that is going to give only 4" of lift with a rating of 300lb/in but here are some numbers for you to consider.

JBG #13202 320lb/in 18.5" free length
JBG #23202 320ln/in 18" free length
JBG #33510 progressive (unknown values) 21" free length

Tom's broncos SKU:6808 5.5" lift; 25" free, 19" compressed (under bronco)
these are progressive rate - 1st = 180, 2nd = 315

Maybe the 3.5" WH progressive coils would work for your needs. Personally, I like to stick with linear rate coils.