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Transmission Cooler Addition-------


dpfurby

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I have the A4LD automatic transmission in my Ranger, the second one.

Trying to keep the heat down, what if another cooler was added next to the factory cooler and they would be hooked together in series???

That would not hurt anything , would it???
 
You mean like the auxiliary cooler that comes with the tow package on pretty much everything? No, you should be good.
 
of course.....you might wanna put the new cooler where it can get some extra "cool" air....just run longer hoses to&from it.... :headbang:

note: my wiffs suv has a trans temp guage along with the trans fluid cooler.....even though the engine thermostat is a 220*.....the trans must have a different "thermostat" in it cause the trans temp gage NEVER gets over 180* even if I'm stuck in a 20 minute traffic jam.....
 
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You can add as many transmission coolers as you want, but with the A4LD there's not much you can do to save them.

What I suggest is find a small 12V fan and add to the front of your tranny cooler to help blow cool air through it better.
 
I think a cooler is essential for any trans. I say go for it.
 
of course.....you might wanna put the new cooler where it can get some extra "cool" air....just run longer hoses to&from it.... :headbang:

note: my wiffs suv has a trans temp guage along with the trans fluid cooler.....even though the engine thermostat is a 220*.....the trans must have a different "thermostat" in it cause the trans temp gage NEVER gets over 180* even if I'm stuck in a 20 minute traffic jam.....

traffic jam means your tranny isn't doing a lot of work. Not much chance for it to overheat when its not doing anything...
Also, do trannies use a thermostat or anything like that, or do they just constantly pump fluid to the cooler?

220 seems pretty high for an engine thermostat doesn't it? What sorta SUV she got?
 
traffic jam means your tranny isn't doing a lot of work. Not much chance for it to overheat when its not doing anything...
Also, do trannies use a thermostat or anything like that, or do they just constantly pump fluid to the cooler?

220 seems pretty high for an engine thermostat doesn't it? What sorta SUV she got?

a. Ohhhhhhhh..........


b. Beats me about thermos in a car transmission....(older models ran fluid only thru the radiator fluid tank)

c. I can get an engine oil cooler for my motorcyle with a built-in by-pass valve that only allows oil to go thru the cooler above a certain temperature....that's what made me wonder if the suv had a trans-thermo...

d. c-c-c-c-c-c-c-caddy...........(gags-----spits to clean off tongue)

FYI:
I changed my Ranger's engine thermostat from 195* with 12psi of oil pressure at 700rpm.............to a 180* thermo and the oil pressure increased to 25psi at 700 rpm....

on my motorcycle the oil ran at 250* and 7psi with no oil cooler.....adding an engine oil cooler brought the temp down to 200* and increased oil pressure to 18psi

The oil drained from the Ranger & Harley engines looks & feels better at oil changes.

amazing how a small drop in temp affects engine/transmission psi so much
 
a. Ohhhhhhhh..........


b. Beats me about thermos in a car transmission....(older models ran fluid only thru the radiator fluid tank)

c. I can get an engine oil cooler for my motorcyle with a built-in by-pass valve that only allows oil to go thru the cooler above a certain temperature....that's what made me wonder if the suv had a trans-thermo...

d. c-c-c-c-c-c-c-caddy...........(gags-----spits to clean off tongue)

FYI:
I changed my Ranger's engine thermostat from 195* with 12psi of oil pressure at 700rpm.............to a 180* thermo and the oil pressure increased to 25psi at 700 rpm....

on my motorcycle the oil ran at 250* and 7psi with no oil cooler.....adding an engine oil cooler brought the temp down to 200* and increased oil pressure to 18psi

The oil drained from the Ranger & Harley engines looks & feels better at oil changes.

amazing how a small drop in temp affects engine/transmission psi so much

Wouldn't a 180 thermo in the ranger cause its own problems over time though? Everything is designed to run at 195, so you would get extra wear on stuff due to heat expansion/contraction characteristics, no?
 
Yes, some transmissions have thermostats in them. My 2008 Toyota Tundra does, it don't start circulating tranny fluid through the cooler until the fluid reaches a certain temperature, as the overdrive/torque converter lock-up are temperature based. If the fluid is too cold overdrive/tc lockup will not happen.

Not sure if all auto trannies are that way just know of the Toyota Tundra's being that way.

As for the engine thermostat there's nothing wrong with putting in a lower temp one, I ran a 180 degree one in my 84 ranger. Never understood why they wanted these engines to run so excessively hot for.
 
As for the engine thermostat there's nothing wrong with putting in a lower temp one, I ran a 180 degree one in my 84 ranger. Never understood why they wanted these engines to run so excessively hot for.

Well, for one thing, a hotter thermostat coaxes a bit more heat out of the heater on a older vehicle that's struggling in that dept - more of an issue as you go north!
 
I'm a little late to the party, but my F150 goes through the radiator and has an external cooler as well. I'm pretty sure it's factory as well. IIRC, it has the Ford logo stamped on it. My truck has the HD cooling package though, so that may be why.
 
Well, for one thing, a hotter thermostat coaxes a bit more heat out of the heater on a older vehicle that's struggling in that dept - more of an issue as you go north!

The heater in my 84 Ranger worked just fine with a 160 degree thermostat or even no thermostat here in Idaho in the winter, my Bronco 2's heater works a little too well with the factory recommended 195 degree thermostat LOL, when you have to roll down the windows in below zero temps it works too well LOL.
 
You can add as many transmission coolers as you want, but with the A4LD there's not much you can do to save them.

What I suggest is find a small 12V fan and add to the front of your tranny cooler to help blow cool air through it better.
I would dispute that. Although the infamous A4LD is by no means an exceedingly robust transmission, with enough cooling and regular servicing, they can last a long time, even with abuse. My recommendation would be to use the largest cooler you can find and fit, and service the fluid and filter every 30k miles or whenever it starts looking dirty and smelling burnt.
 
Yesterday I loaded a bunch of scrap metal in my truck. In doing so, I also removed the plastic tanks off of my F150's old radiator. This pic shows the trans cooler that goes through the radiator. It is much smaller than I had expected. Mine has the bigger radiator in it as well.

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I would dispute that. Although the infamous A4LD is by no means an exceedingly robust transmission, with enough cooling and regular servicing, they can last a long time, even with abuse. My recommendation would be to use the largest cooler you can find and fit, and service the fluid and filter every 30k miles or whenever it starts looking dirty and smelling burnt.

I agree. Number one killer of a trans is heat.
 
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traffic jam means your tranny isn't doing a lot of work. Not much chance for it to overheat when its not doing anything...
Also, do trannies use a thermostat or anything like that, or do they just constantly pump fluid to the cooler?

When you are in gear but not moving the trans is slipping, when it is slipping it is creating heat. To compound that there is no air moving over the coolers besides what little the engine fan moves at idle.

When I am sitting at a drive through or in traffic very long I put it in park, keep the brakes on if you are in traffic though so people don't think you are moving. :icon_thumby:

Yes, some transmissions have thermostats in them. My 2008 Toyota Tundra does, it don't start circulating tranny fluid through the cooler until the fluid reaches a certain temperature, as the overdrive/torque converter lock-up are temperature based. If the fluid is too cold overdrive/tc lockup will not happen.

Not sure if all auto trannies are that way just know of the Toyota Tundra's being that way.

As for the engine thermostat there's nothing wrong with putting in a lower temp one, I ran a 180 degree one in my 84 ranger. Never understood why they wanted these engines to run so excessively hot for.

My F-150 is like that too, no TC lockup until it reaches a certain temp. It lets the TC slipping create heat faster to get the trans up to temp.

I don't think it is a thermostat so much as it is probably a temperature switch that tells the computer what to do with the TC though.

The highter engine 'stat is mainly for emissions but it was likely taken into account with tolerances when they designed the engine. The hotter things get the more they expand...

The heater in my 84 Ranger worked just fine with a 160 degree thermostat or even no thermostat here in Idaho in the winter, my Bronco 2's heater works a little too well with the factory recommended 195 degree thermostat LOL, when you have to roll down the windows in below zero temps it works too well LOL.

With a new 2 core Explorer radiator, new heater core, new 160* stat and a 302 my heater flat out sucked here in a good Iowa winter. Just barely lukewarm and took forever to heat up the little standard cab. Per my mechanical Autometer temp gauge it ran 160* on the nose unless I let it sit and idle forever (20-30 minutes) and it would eventually kick on the 190* efan. Once you got it moving it would dive to 160* again. As far as heat pumps go a 302 should be better than most in a Ranger and it has a full liter over what Ford designed that radiator to have...

My '85 has a little slider thing that allows you to adjust the temperature of the heater that works pretty good so you don't have to use the windows to adjust the cockpit temp. :icon_thumby:

Yesterday I loaded a bunch of scrap metal in my truck. In doing so, I also removed the plastic tanks off of my F150's old radiator. This pic shows the trans cooler that goes through the radiator. It is much smaller than I had expected. Mine has the bigger radiator in it as well.

20130809_142534_zps89ae29eb.jpg

A fluid to fluid cooler is deceptive though, they are a lot more effecient than an air to liquid cooler. To use Will's analogy, to stick you hand a 400* oven doesn't feel too bad, maybe kinda good depending on ambiant temp. I don't think it ever gets cold enough to make sticking your hand in a 400* pot of water feel good though...

Liquid is just a heck of a lot better at transfering heat.
 
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