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[CamTheHedgehog]

A first gen Ranger can have over 1800lb payload rating...

The 98-11 Rangers can haul more payload than some newer RAM 1500's can, which is wild.

Also, legend says the full towing capacity of a Ranger has never been found.

 

[cbxer55]

It's ugly i think

FUGLY is more apt. Fookin Ugly!

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

The 98-11 Rangers can haul more payload than some newer RAM 1500's can, which is wild.

Same with F-150, they can be a lot more but a lot are around the 1500-2000 area similar to a compact/midsize.

 

[JoshT]

A first gen Ranger can have over 1800lb payload rating...

So that would make the Ranger a 3/4 ton. I always thought of them as 1/2 tons.

I think you can get an F150 with a payload over 3000lbs.

And that's would be a 1.5 ton.

Got to wonder why we still use the old 1/2, 3/4, and 1 ton class references when they are so far off?

So is the Maverick the new 1/2 ton?

 

[Jim Oaks]

My 2016 Ford F-150 Crewcab 4x4 was rated to tow 10,600 and some were rated to tow over 11,000. A 2000 Ford F-250 was rated to tow 10,000. Heck, my 2021 Ford Ranger is rated to tow 7,500. That's more than some of the 2000 Ford F-150's were rated.

F-150/250/350 doesn't mean much anymore. Just a name.

 

[don4331]

You would think, but the payloads are all over the place on new stuff. I think you can get an F150 with a payload over 3000lbs. I was going off GVWR.

Long RANT

In theory, it is possible to get an F150 with payload >3k lbs/GVWR >7,850 lbs, GAWR F 3,400lbs, R 4,800lbs. But that requires:

Regular Cab Long box 4x2 with HDPP (Heavy Duty Payload Package - which includes heavy frame, 18" LT tires & 9-3/4" rear axle).​

It has to be an XL, with:​

Manual Door Locks, Mirrors & Windows​

Just AM/FM radio and the 2.3" infotainment screen​

Trailer hitch & Cruise delete​

Small gas tank - empty (filling the tank adds ~120lbs/takes you under the 3k number)​

(at least you have to have the 3.5 Ecoboost or 5.0)​

Note: No driver and/or passenger(s) - they are considered part of payload.​

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And the rims are only rated for 2,275lbs so GAWR R should be limited to 4,550 lbs.​

Has anyone seen a '15 or newer F150 with Manual Door Locks, Mirrors & Windows?!

Aside: my '17 RCSB F-150 is over GAWR F, with me, my son and full tank. Only non OEM component in that is the floor mat We aren't significantly over the weight of 3 x 150lb "standard" occupants, so I don't know what Ford was thinking when they spec'd/built it.​

The towing number is a similar fudging.

While @Jim Oaks' 2016 Ford F-150 Crewcab 4x4 has a 'brochure' number of 10,600lbs, that assumes:​

Jim + significant other weigh <301 lbs combined (J2807 spec at requires both driver and passenger).​

The F-150 has HDPP (7,850 lbs GVWR) package.​

A non-HDPP loses 800lbs+ in GVWR/>500lbs in payload*. So, a non-HDPP F-150 has towing limit about 5,600 lbs (2807 requires 10% tongue weight on trailer). This assumes the non-HDPP has the trailer tow package with 9-3/4" rear axle. (And the extra weight of the 9-3/4" hurts payload)​

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*Many non-HDPP trucks aren't configured to the max GVWR possible for their configuration/are fancier than XL/have aftermarket accessories (bigger tires/grill guards/etc) and often have more than just one passenger/driver & passengers are >300lbs combined)

My son's company rents him F-150 SuperCrews on regular basis - most are <6,400 lbs. GVWR, GAWR R - 3,300lbs, so payloads are <1,200 lbs. By the time you have 4 - 200lbs guys in the cab and couple hundred pounds of gear in the box, the truck is at GVWR! Towing a trailer isn't possible as the truck doesn't have any payload capacity to take the hitch weight.​

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I have the opposite issue with the camper/trailer guys - seems like brochure weight was for the CAD model; the actual numbers are way higher, especially tongue weight which are significantly over 10% (brochure weight doesn't have propane tanks and/or batteries which are often at front of trailer and their weight adds directly to hitch and trailer needed to be >10% without them to be stable.)​

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As a result, a lot of F-150 owners lose their minds when they get busted for being overweight when they knew they were under the brochure numbers.​

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My '99 Ranger might have a max possible payload of 1,560lbs in the brochure, but with 4.0/auto/8.8/XLT/Payload pkg #1/full tank gas/me, the real number is <750lbs. (Payload pkg 1 reduces max from pkg #2's 1,560lbs to 1,260lbs). The '99 Ranger's tow number was pulled from a hat after reading the '98 S-10 brochure.

The current Ranger's tow number is similar - for an XL with no options and nothing in truck but driver and passenger.

 

[Jim Oaks]

I actually wrote an article a couple of years ago on determining how much your Ford truck can really tow:

How Much Can Your Ford Really Tow? - Blue Oval Trucks

Personally, I don't play around with maxing out my trucks towing capacity. The dry weight of my 2008 Work & Play 28-foot tow hauler was 7,542 lbs. It had a payload capacity of 3,142 lbs. When I bought it, I had a Ford Excursion which was very similar to having a F-250. It would tow it, but you knew it was back there. I sold that and bought an F-350 diesel. When I bought my house in Texas, I had already sold my F-350 and had the 2016 F-150. While the F-150 was 'rated' to tow it, I sold the camper and never towed it to my new house. I had no desire to drag that thing behind my F-150. Regardless of what Ford said it was capable of. Which is funny, because my F-150 was rated to tow more than that Excursion was.

 

[sgtsandman]

I think the payload and towing numbers they are rating trucks at have gotten ridiculous and is going to end up getting someone killed.

Just because you can haul or tow the rated load doesn't mean you should. I'm seeing people asking about towing some pretty large trailers with their 2019+ Rangers more often than they should and then they or someone in the comments gets mad when you tell them they shouldn't because of wind and other things even though the Ranger could technically tow it.

 

[JoshT]

I think the payload and towing numbers they are raring trucks at have gotten rediculous and is going to end up getting someone killed.

Just because you can haul or tow the rated load doesn't mean you should. I'm seeing people asking about towing some pretty large trailers with their 2019+ Rangers more often than they should and then they or aomeone in the comments gets mad when you tell them they shouldn't because of wind and other things even though the Ranger could technically tow it.

Yeah I've thought about that over the years as well. My 99 Ranger has a greater payload and towing capacity than the 68 F-100. I have no doubt that the 68 can beat it towing in every way except possibly brakes and efficiency. Could probably keep up with the F-250 except for the same issue.ignoring the brake capacity that has a huge affect on tow ratings, I don't think it's as much that the vehicles have gotten stronger, as that the safety margins have decreased. Like working strength.vs breaking strength in a strap. If you look at the older trucks, that gap is probably a lot larger than on the stuff they build now.

 

[sgtsandman]

Yeah I've thought about that over the years as well. My 99 Ranger has a greater payload and towing capacity than the 68 F-100. I have no doubt that the 68 can beat it towing in every way except possibly brakes and efficiency. Could probably keep up with the F-250 except for the same issue.ignoring the brake capacity that has a huge affect on tow ratings, I don't think it's as much that the vehicles have gotten stronger, as that the safety margins have decreased. Like working strength.vs breaking strength in a strap. If you look at the older trucks, that gap is probably a lot larger than on the stuff they build now.

Another good example on that is the pictures of broken Ford and Ram trucks with slide in campers in them. Technically, the trucks should be able to handle them but the broken frame between the cab and the frame says otherwise.