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[HenryMac]

Food for thought in regard to modifying exhaust:

There's a fella on the Ranger 5G site who grenaded his motor due to an aftermarket tune, so the repairs on him, not Ford. It's a $14,000 repair.

He wants the dealership to install the new motor so he can get the warranty back.

His truck had a Ford Performance exhaust on it. The only way he can get the warranty on the new motor is if he has the dealership put a stock exhaust on it.

 

[Robertmangrum.rm]

I think the

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It's the headers that make that 6 sound good. I built a split exhaust manifold for the 230 6 banger in my ole Nova in high school. It sounded pretty nice too.

But a 4 banger? The quieter the better.

I personally think Ford did a great job on the 2019 up Ranger exhaust.

Yeah it's fine if you sit down to pee haha

 

[Robertmangrum.rm]

Food for thought in regard to modifying exhaust:

There's a fella on the Ranger 5G site who grenaded his motor due to an aftermarket tune, so the repairs on him, not Ford. It's a $14,000 repair.

He wants the dealership to install the new motor so he can get the warranty back.

His truck had a Ford Performance exhaust on it. The only way he can get the warranty on the new motor is if he has the dealership put a stock exhaust on it.

I find this hard to believe. At least with the exhaust. I have an aftermarket exhaust on my wife's focus. Ford performance I installed my self. They just put a new trans in no problem. Under warranty and have never given me any grief. it's a 2014 with a 10 year 100000 mile and they have never said anything. I think though when you do any tune to adjust factory parameters is where you get in trouble. But I've put several bolt on models on her focus and no issues. Maybe I just have an awesome dealer

 

[Robertmangrum.rm]

There are lots of exhaust clips on YouTube. I like this one, also I like the dual out the back look.

I really like the sound of this. But will have to go with the single exit with the black tip. Scared the duals wouldn't be loud enough to wake neighborhood hahaha

 

[JohnnyO]

I find this hard to believe. At least with the exhaust. I have an aftermarket exhaust on my wife's focus. Ford performance I installed my self. They just put a new trans in no problem. Under warranty and have never given me any grief. it's a 2014 with a 10 year 100000 mile and they have never said anything. I think though when you do any tune to adjust factory parameters is where you get in trouble. But I've put several bolt on models on her focus and no issues. Maybe I just have an awesome dealer

Exhaust is a replacement part. I don't see how that can affect your warranty. Now if you ask the dealer, they will tell you that everything voids the warranty because they don't want to be bothered figuring it out. I put a Gibson cat-back on my old '08 Sport Trac when it was almost new and I also bought the extended warranty which I used A LOT for an alternator, radiator, and a multitude of front hub and bearing assemblies. Dealer never said a word about it. I can see how a tune would void your warranty. Functionally there is no difference between an exhaust from Midas or Gibson or Magnaflow, whatever.

 

[HenryMac]

Functionally there is no difference between an exhaust from Midas or Gibson or Magnaflow, whatever.

Sure there is. They all flow different based on the configuration of the pipes and the mufflers. And that flow is what = HP/Torque gains.

But what folks forget is we aren't living in the 1970's anymore, where the factory put very restrictive exhaust on the vehicles and huge power gains could be achieved from an aftermarket exhaust.

I find this hard to believe. At least with the exhaust. I have an aftermarket exhaust on my wife's focus. Ford performance I installed my self. They just put a new trans in no problem. Under warranty and have never given me any grief. it's a 2014 with a 10 year 100000 mile and they have never said anything. I think though when you do any tune to adjust factory parameters is where you get in trouble. But I've put several bolt on models on her focus and no issues. Maybe I just have an awesome dealer

Did you put in a warranty claim for a blown motor on your Focus?

The only reason the factory is telling Project Midnight to put on stock exhaust is because his extensive modifications grenaded motor. Therefore if he wants a warranty on the new motor, it needs to be as the factory intended while it's under warranty. There's nothing hard to believe about it, it makes perfect sense.

But if you go in for an oil change, a tire rotation, or a detail.... sure, you are right, the dealership doesn't do an inspection for aftermarket parts.

 

[19Walt93]

I never denied warranty as a service manager, if the situation was questionable I contacted the Ford FSE(field service engineer) and had him decide. If the dealer did a repair under warranty that Ford disapproved of, it could be charged back to the dealer. Other than flood damage or a salvage title, practically nothing "voids" a warranty. If a modification can be blamed for a failure, the claim will ne denied. For example: dusted diesel engine with an aftermarket air filter, especially if it hasn't been maintained, driveline vibrations on lifted trucks, blown head gaskets on chipped diesels. Dealers don't want to be the bad guy and get sued but they also don't want to be charged back for an expensive claim. Extended service plans are tougher, if their inspector sees a plow frame on a truck without the factory plow prep package-for example-you're on your own. It's true that newer vehicles have better flowing exhaust so actual power gains are apt to be very small.

 

[JohnnyO]

Sure there is. They all flow different based on the configuration of the pipes and the mufflers. And that flow is what = HP/Torque gains.

But what folks forget is we aren't living in the 1970's anymore, where the factory put very restrictive exhaust on the vehicles and huge power gains could be achieved from an aftermarket exhaust.

I get that but my point is that a cat-back exhaust is simply a replacement part and shouldn't affect your warranty like a tune or chip. And FWIW, if you get the Ford tune AND it is installed by a Ford dealer or ASE certified mechanic then you keep the warranty. BTW, I won't be getting it because 1) it costs $800+ and 2) you have to run 91 octane which around here is 60 cents more a gallon.

 

[HenryMac]

I get that but my point is that a cat-back exhaust is simply a replacement part and shouldn't affect your warranty like a tune or chip.

Bolt an exhaust made for your Toro lawn mower onto the converter... see any issues with that? People do some really stupid shit these days. Many folks assume (ass-u-me) aftermarket parts are as good or better than oem... that's simply not always the case. And that's Ford's point.

And FWIW, if you get the Ford tune AND it is installed by a Ford dealer or ASE certified mechanic then you keep the warranty.

I'm well aware of that. But the warranty isn't any good at all if you've modified something on the truck that Ford deems harmful to the engine. And yes, Ford sells parts for the Ranger that are not warranty compliant, their Performance Exhaust is one of those parts. You as the consumer need to do the due diligence and research the parts, if they are not OEM for your specific vehicle.

That's the point...

Some folks don't care about the warranty, other's do. If you do care and you're modifying your stock Ranger that is under warranty, Caveat Emptor.

 

[fastpakr]

Ford would have a very interesting time winning on court on a claim that the exhaust was the cause of a grenaded motor.

 

[Robertmangrum.rm]

My dealer told me any bolt on aftermarket parts would not void my warranty. Hell they sell the new ones on the lot with exhaust, air intakes, lifts and more. They said that only performance tunes added to computer would void it. But peramiters of the motor are not changed due to bolt ons like exhaust and air intakes. Said it would be almost impossible to prove they would cause terminal reactions to motor. Now that being said I live in Tennessee. I know some states have laws against aftermarket upgrades due to emissions. so that could be his issue

 

[Dirtman]

I think we are all forgetting one very important thing.

Engines is goes vroom.

 

[HenryMac]

My dealer told me any bolt on aftermarket parts would not void my warranty. Hell they sell the new ones on the lot with exhaust, air intakes, lifts and more. They said that only performance tunes added to computer would void it. But peramiters of the motor are not changed due to bolt ons like exhaust and air intakes. Said it would be almost impossible to prove they would cause terminal reactions to motor. Now that being said I live in Tennessee. I know some states have laws against aftermarket upgrades due to emissions. so that could be his issue

You sure do trust your dealer, don't you? And some of the things you are stating just aren't true.

Bigger tires and lifts can indeed void your warranty. They can cause driveline vibrations, binding and installing bigger tires changes the driveline ratios. Depending on how big those tires are, they may have removed the intrusion bars too. Safety features Ford installed, that the dealer removed.

Changing the air intake can indeed void your warranty. If you have an aftermarket tune and you change the air intake, they will re-tune the motor for that new intake. Why? Because the ability of the motor to take in more air does indeed change the "peramiters of the motor"

 

[fastpakr]

Changing the air intake can indeed void your warranty. If you have an aftermarket tune and you change the air intake, they will re-tune the motor for that new intake. Why? Because the ability of the motor to take in more air does indeed change the "peramiters of the motor"

No.

 

[HenryMac]

Here's what Ford's Warranty states:

WHAT IS NOT COVERED UNDER THE NEW VEHICLE LIMITED WARRANTY?

Damage Caused by Alteration or Modification

"the installation or use of a non-Ford Motor Company part or software (other than a certified emissions part or software) or any part or software (Ford or non-Ford) designed for off-road use only installed after the vehicle leaves the control of Ford Motor Company, if the installed part fails or causes a Ford part to fail. Examples include, but are not limited to lift kits, oversized tires, roll bars, cellular phones, alarm systems, automatic starting systems and performance-enhancing powertrain components or software and performance “chips”."