WTH? What's wrong with this Tundra Frame?

[85_Ranger4x4]

Resale is based on "Residual Percentage". This is the percentage of the purchase price that the vehicle is worth at the arbitrary 6 year 60k mark. That is where the Tacoma wins along with others (Camry, Accord, Altima). The percentage is higher and therefore no matter what you pay, you retain more of the value.

I work in this industry and have for 12 years, I like Ford trucks but I see how it really works too. No "Buy American" blinders can block reality.

Doesn't work so hot when you buy used however, I have had the truck for 2.5 years and plan on keeping it as long as possible so I doubt the resale will be too hot when it is 15 years old with 200k+ on it anyway.

Buy Japanese Blinders are becoming increasing popular too.

 

[jgrnot]

My tundra lists sticker for 37K, I paid 32k out the door and they gave me 2k more then bluebook for my ranger. so no i wouldnt spend 40k. and ford doesnt offer a 1/2 ton crew cab truck with a 6.5' foot bed with 385 hp and 400ft/lbs.

Could've fooled me! Research first, then open mouth.

I went to Toyota.com and built myself a plain and simple Tundra, crewcab, 4x4, 5.7L......with a 6.5 foot bed.............$36,340

I went to Ford.com and built myself a plain and simple F-150, crew cab, 4x4, 5.4L...........with a 6.5 foot bed.................$33,815.

Both prices without dealer markup. You may have received a discount, but realistically, not everybody does.

What's the 85 extra ponies going to get you? Oh, wait.......let me watch one of the stupid commercials bragging about how the Tundra is a drag car. If you want acceleration, buy a sports car.

 

[Toreadorranger]

Could've fooled me! Research first, then open mouth.

I went to Toyota.com and built myself a plain and simple Tundra, crewcab, 4x4, 5.7L......with a 6.5 foot bed.............$36,340

I went to Ford.com and built myself a plain and simple F-150, crew cab, 4x4, 5.4L...........with a 6.5 foot bed.................$33,815.

Both prices without dealer markup. You may have received a discount, but realistically, not everybody does.

What's the 85 extra ponies going to get you? Oh, wait.......let me watch one of the stupid commercials bragging about how the Tundra is a drag car. If you want acceleration, buy a sports car.

I did research I said ford doesnt offer a 1/2 ton crew cab with a 6.5' bed with 385hp and 400ft/lbs. Which is a factual statement, ford does not offer a truck with those stats.

I dont need the other 85hp but it sure is fun, and will come in mighty handy when towing my ranger. But thats the great thing about buying something, I got to choose which one. Id say having the extra power, 6 speed auto, a rear axle thats the same size as a F350 (10.5" ring gear, 1.5" 36 spline shafts) and brakes that are larger then the F350 is worth the little bit of money I paid over a F150.

The problem is you look purely at the price and don't compare the specs of the two trucks. For the Extra Money you Get 3/4 to 1 ton Parts in a halfton. Which is the main reason I went with the Tundra to begin with. I didnt need the exterior size of a 3/4 ton but like being inbetween the halfton and 3/4 ton classes.

 

[Jason]

Could've fooled me! Research first, then open mouth.

I went to Toyota.com and built myself a plain and simple Tundra, crewcab, 4x4, 5.7L......with a 6.5 foot bed.............$36,340

I went to Ford.com and built myself a plain and simple F-150, crew cab, 4x4, 5.4L...........with a 6.5 foot bed.................$33,815.

Both prices without dealer markup. You may have received a discount, but realistically, not everybody does.

What's the 85 extra ponies going to get you? Oh, wait.......let me watch one of the stupid commercials bragging about how the Tundra is a drag car. If you want acceleration, buy a sports car.

Save me some time. Go do some research before responding. Residual extends throughout the life of the truck. Your 200k comment is ridiculous. Your or my) Ranger is worthless at that point too. Plain and simple, at any point the vehicle with the higher residual value is worth more of its original price than the vehicle without.

Also compare at Edmunds.com and look at true cost to own. That figures original purchase price, depreciation, maintenance and repairs. You will be surprised.

Oh yeah, I bought an American truck, so no blinders here but nice try. Better luck next time.

 

[Jason]

So I went and used 2000 model year. This was before the Domestic crash and before Toyota was selling for more brand new. The ranger and Tacoma that year sold for roughly the same price if similarly equipped. The Ranger could have been the more expensive of the two due to less standard equipment leading to more options.


Step 5 Review Edmunds.com Pricing Report
2000 Toyota Tacoma 2 Dr Limited 4WD Extended Cab SB Shown2000 Toyota Tacoma 2 Dr STD 4WD Extended Cab SB True Market Value Pricing
Trade-In Private Party Dealer Retail
National Base Price $6,426 $7,644 $8,838
Optional Equipment $1,375 $1,644 $2,122
Tilt Steering Wheel $56 $67 $86
Air Conditioning $225 $269 $347
Chrome Bumpers $91 $109 $141
Alloy Wheels $84 $101 $130
Manual Horizontal Sliding Rear Window $34 $41 $53
Cruise Control $57 $68 $88
Bucket Seats $15 $18 $23
Keyless Entry System $34 $41 $53
Power Windows $60 $72 $93
AM/FM/CD Audio System $156 $186 $240
Automatic Locking Hubs $55 $66 $85
Running Boards $65 $78 $101
4-Wheel ABS $156 $186 $240
Bed Liner $68 $81 $105
Power Door Locks $53 $63 $81
4-Speed Automatic Transmission $166 $198 $256
Color Adjustment
Black $-8 $-10 $-12
Regional Adjustment
for Zip Code 14220 $-33 $-39 $-45
Mileage Adjustment
75,000 miles $754 $754 $754
Condition Adjustment
Average $-1,775 $-2,071 $-2,325
Total $6,739 $7,922 $9,332


Step 5 Review Edmunds.com Pricing Report
2001 Ford Ranger 2dr SuperCab Edge 2WD Styleside SB Shown2000 Ford Ranger 2 Dr XLT Extended Cab SB True Market Value Pricing
Trade-In Private Party Dealer Retail
National Base Price $3,304 $4,261 $5,199
Optional Equipment $1,182 $1,484 $1,971
Power Door Locks $39 $49 $65
4.0L V6 OHV 12V FI Engine $210 $263 $350
Cruise Control $30 $38 $50
5-Speed Automatic Transmission $186 $233 $310
AM/FM/Cassette/CD Audio System $47 $59 $78
Center Console $18 $23 $30
Keyless Entry System $26 $32 $43
Power Windows $44 $56 $74
4-Speed Automatic Transmission $178 $222 $296
Manual Horizontal Sliding Rear Window $20 $26 $34
Air Conditioning $131 $164 $218
Bucket Seats $58 $73 $97
Power Exterior Mirrors $25 $32 $42
Tilt Steering Wheel $30 $38 $50
Fog Lights $30 $38 $50
4-Wheel ABS $110 $138 $184
Color Adjustment
Black $-4 $-6 $-7
Regional Adjustment
for Zip Code 14220 $-17 $-22 $-27
Mileage Adjustment
75,000 miles $754 $754 $754
Condition Adjustment
Average $-913 $-1,155 $-1,368
Total $4,306 $5,316 $6,522

Certified Used Vehicle N/A



That's nearly 3 grand difference AND I gave the Ranger the advantage of 4.0 vs 3.3 and five speed auto vs. 4 speed auto. I also gave the Ranger a second auto trans option to jack it up a little extra. I have done this before when I MYSELF was trying to convince someone the Ranger would hold residual just as good as the Tacoma.

Once again, I prefer the Ranger. However, why can't some people admit that the big Japanese manufacturers are building vehicles better right now. I LOVE Ford trucks but you cannot argue with facts. THE TOYOTA TRUCKS DO NOT COST MORE TO OWN OVER THE LONG RUN. If you think only short term with your finances then the domestics win hands down. Otherwise, not the case.

Prices quoted from edmunds.com using zip 14220.

 

[jgrnot]

I did research I said ford doesnt offer a 1/2 ton crew cab with a 6.5' bed with 385hp and 400ft/lbs. Which is a factual statement, ford does not offer a truck with those stats.

Is it really completely factual??

You're positive??





Toyota.com rates it at 381, not 385. And 401, not 400.


You yap about the 3/4 ton or 1 ton parts on your 1/2 ton truck. This all falls back to the original post on this thread. If the frame looks like it will fall apart, don't you think those 1 ton parts will too?

 

[jgrnot]

Save me some time. Go do some research before responding. Residual extends throughout the life of the truck. Your 200k comment is ridiculous. Your or my) Ranger is worthless at that point too. Plain and simple, at any point the vehicle with the higher residual value is worth more of its original price than the vehicle without.

Also compare at Edmunds.com and look at true cost to own. That figures original purchase price, depreciation, maintenance and repairs. You will be surprised.

Oh yeah, I bought an American truck, so no blinders here but nice try. Better luck next time.

Wrong Quote

 

[jgrnot]

Then, there's all this BS about "Made in China". (not just this thread)

IMO, if you try to buy AMerican whenever possible, that includes AUTOMOBILES. You ARE supporting Japan when buying Japanese. So what if they have plants in the US. They aren't MADE here. They are assembled here. IMHO, supporting Japan's crap, is just as bad as supporting China's crap.


This was a quote long ago in this thread:

"As a side note, I saw a bumper sticker yesterday that said "**** your Jap car, Patriotic my ass", I think it seems fitting."

You should tattoo it on your forehead. It would really compliment your love for being an American.

 

[Slipknotyk]

Man, this convo wandered way off topic.

First, the trade-in value of similar year toyota trucks versus their Ford equivalents are always going to be higher for one reason. There are fewer Toyota trucks on the road than Ford. So the demand for used toyota pickups remains about the same as Ford, but the supply is lower, so that means the price will be higher. Is the used Toyota REALLY worth that extra cash? I say no, but some say yes.

Second, the original topic is about the strength of the frame of the Toyota Vs Chevy Vs F150. The F150 is the only to use a fully boxed frame, so the Frame is definately stronger. Also, the F150 is the only to use an outboard shock placement (shock placed outside the leaf springs) which gives the shock greater control over uneven ground.

Everyone claims their product to be the best in the world. And in order to have a rightful claim to that spot, you have to make a truck that is a jack of all trades, master of none. I'm sure that the Dodge Ram 1500 with the Torsion bar suspension would have done better than F150 on the original test, but at the sacrifice of around 1000 pounds of bed capacity, plus an extra 10 grand for a similarly equipped vehicle.

What F150 offers is Value. It's a truck that may not be the best at every single test that's thrown at it, but it's usually top 3 while others trail off severely at certain tests. F150's resale is second only to Toyota, and it's an extraordinary well-rounded vehicle. I choose the F150 over Tundra every time.

 

[Ozwynn]

can we please check the date on the last post before reviving a 2 y/o thread?