Why the "STRONG" Toyota following???

[straycat]

Rather the ignorance that it is still a foreign owned company.

I am concerned about the future of our country. The day is near that we are dependent completely upon foreign products.
You guys keep up the good work.


Jackasses.

Well, thanks to Regan's trickle down economics it never will be the same. So many companies have left our shores and moved elsewhere since the labor is cheaper elswhere, no healh insurance to pay out for the employees and the taxes are better for the companies as well. Sad world when we buy almost anything now and it does not say 'Made in America', eh? Every once in awhile I buy some pet items and see 'Made in America'!! I then call all my friends or email them and let them know I bought something to day that said that!!!

 

[Jason]

Rather the ignorance that it is still a foreign owned company.

I am concerned about the future of our country. The day is near that we are dependent completely upon foreign products.
You guys keep up the good work.


Jackasses.

Ford, Chevy, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda, Fuji Heavy Industries. All foreign owned. I think you need to go read your high school economics book and see how stock trading works. lol In fact, if you are so concerned with ownership then buy Chevy. They are the most american owned company since the government got involved.

 

[Jason]

and I'm sure you think NAFTA was a good thing.
If we supported more American made products there would be more Americans working. But due to some brilliance in the '90's most of our goods now come from the Asian market. I've seen what happened in the late '90's and into the last decade, foreign vehicles made on our soil is not a good thing!

LMFAO. Are you 15 or something? The importing of products was going on back in the 60's and before. Ask your parents about Woolworths and Kmart. Or the Honda CB bikes. Or the british cars. LEARN SOMETHING.

 

[Jason]

not true, Amish buy kerosene and diesel fuel which is FOREIGN CRUDE in most cases

Where in Pa are you. The crude being refined all over your state in north american pipeline.

 

[Ranger Dave (B25)]

Rather the ignorance that it is still a foreign owned company.

I am concerned about the future of our country. The day is near that we are dependent completely upon foreign products.
You guys keep up the good work.


Jackasses.

Sock puppet.

 

[Jason]

The Toyota discussions always get like this guys! Remember all the fun we had when I pointed out my 2006 Tacoma TRD was better than my 2004 Ranger even though the Ranger had less miles? I listed the repair costs for both and the Ranger had doubled the repairs with 20k less miles of use? Good times at TRS. Good times. lol

 

[66POJ]

LMFAO. Are you 15 or something? The importing of products was going on back in the 60's and before. Ask your parents about Woolworths and Kmart. Or the Honda CB bikes. Or the british cars. LEARN SOMETHING.

Our hay day peaked in the early to mid-ninties. I speak from the thousands who were layed off and are without jobs due to NAFTA.
Since the mid ninties we have gone down hill steadily since. At mid-forty I've seen enough of this. You must also figure in many aspects to see what generations have had it the "best".

Reaganomics, free trade agreements, Clinton, wars that will never be "won", Obamanomics, Yeah we are the leaders of the world.

 

[Jason]

Our hay day peaked in the early to mid-ninties. I speak from the thousands who were layed off and are without jobs due to NAFTA.
Since the mid ninties we have gone down hill steadily since. At mid-forty I've seen enough of this. You must also figure in many aspects to see what generations have had it the "best".

Reaganomics, free trade agreements, Clinton, wars that will never be "won", Obamanomics, Yeah we are the leaders of the world.

Peaked in what regard? Manufacturing? That was dying fast long before that. Those rose colored bifocals are hindering our discussion.

 

[66POJ]

Peaked in what regard? Manufacturing? That was dying fast long before that. Those rose colored bifocals are hindering our discussion.

I'll say this, In 1994ish NAFTA went into affect. Levi Strauss & Co., a USA company where its brand achieved fame, had 20 plants operating on our soil. The last one closed in 2004. I cannot recall the peak employee count but today they employee 10,000 worldwide, a mere percentage that were employeed here alone. Sure they have more competition but it don't take a rocket scientist to see the correlation.
I worked for a company that supplied Levi Strauss and Wrangler. We had eight plants in the USA. Today... one...that is only running half of its plant. 500 people compared to the 1300 once there. They employed 35000 people prior to 1995.

I say screw the Asian markets and screw the foreign owned vehicles you guys defend.

On that note, we will probably never see an American made car again. But I will continue to support the idea of it happening, again,in our future.

 

[straycat]

Our hay day peaked in the early to mid-ninties. I speak from the thousands who were layed off and are without jobs due to NAFTA.
Since the mid ninties we have gone down hill steadily since. At mid-forty I've seen enough of this. You must also figure in many aspects to see what generations have had it the "best".

Reaganomics, free trade agreements, Clinton, wars that will never be "won", Obamanomics, Yeah we are the leaders of the world.

That goes back to the late 60's and 70's, Bro!!! Vietnam. No victories. Acutely, we were in 'Nam in the 50's...most Americans don't know it. I do 'cause my dad was military and and so was I. I remember buying stuff in the 60's as a kid that said made in China or Japan. Toys and stuff. Lead poisoning has been around in America from China for over 40 years and we still let them add lead to the crap that they make. What gives?? Huh, America?? Why are you still allowing this to continue?? You think we would have learned bu now...right, guys???

 

[legoms013]

My theory is this. Toyotas have a particlarly long drivetrain life span due to their chassis, and frame being light duty and under sized. For example, their frame rails are only 3/32" thick....even up until the second to last (most current) generation.

So they last "forever" b/c they aren't moving as much weight. And get better mileage.

Rangers however use a much thicker walled frame rail, and taller c-channel for the frame. Not to mention the ranger chassis is manufactured in almost the exact same mannerisms as a super duty chassis, just scaled down.

Thus rangers drivetrain wear out faster due to them pushing a heavy chassis. And comparatively get worse mileage than toyotas.

I have no proof that this is true, but this is my theory, and at least theoretically it makes sense. I could be way off, who knows.

And yes, I have met toyota owners swear up and down their truck is better than mine...yet theirs have had double maybe even triple the costs in repairs way before I even turned 200k on my truck. Currently I am at 220k, and only have replaced radiator, water pump, and fuel pump.

 

[straycat]

My theory is this. Toyotas have a particlarly long drivetrain life span due to their chassis, and frame being light duty and under sized. For example, their frame rails are only 3/32" thick....even up until the second to last (most current) generation.

So they last "forever" b/c they aren't moving as much weight. And get better mileage.

Rangers however use a much thicker walled frame rail, and taller c-channel for the frame. Not to mention the ranger chassis is manufactured in almost the exact same mannerisms as a super duty chassis, just scaled down.

Thus rangers drivetrain wear out faster due to them pushing a heavy chassis. And comparatively get worse mileage than toyotas.

I have no proof that this is true, but this is my theory, and at least theoretically it makes sense. I could be way off, who knows.

And yes, I have met toyota owners swear up and down their truck is better than mine...yet theirs have had double maybe even triple the costs in repairs way before I even turned 200k on my truck. Currently I am at 220k, and only have replaced radiator, water pump, and fuel pump.

Hmmmm, it sounds more like the Kennedy assassination...the grassy knoll..lol

 

[mhughes165]

My theory is this. Toyotas have a particlarly long drivetrain life span due to their chassis, and frame being light duty and under sized. For example, their frame rails are only 3/32" thick....even up until the second to last (most current) generation.

So they last "forever" b/c they aren't moving as much weight. And get better mileage.

Rangers however use a much thicker walled frame rail, and taller c-channel for the frame. Not to mention the ranger chassis is manufactured in almost the exact same mannerisms as a super duty chassis, just scaled down.

Thus rangers drivetrain wear out faster due to them pushing a heavy chassis. And comparatively get worse mileage than toyotas.

I have no proof that this is true, but this is my theory, and at least theoretically it makes sense. I could be way off, who knows.

And yes, I have met toyota owners swear up and down their truck is better than mine...yet theirs have had double maybe even triple the costs in repairs way before I even turned 200k on my truck. Currently I am at 220k, and only have replaced radiator, water pump, and fuel pump.

its a good theory lol....not exactly accurate but good theory none the less, sure the yota wall is thinner, but a fully boxed frame is stronger then a c channel frame except the obvious rust factor

 

[legoms013]

Strength aside, the lighter duty frame rails and cross members, and the thinner gauge sheet metal for the body work lend the whole toyota tacoma to being a very "cheesy" truck none the less and consequently lighter. I am not sure about the newer style tacomas though, I have not with my own eyes been underneath to have a looksie.

Seems like every time I turn around, someone is posting a new thread about "plating" the frame rails on their toyotas....but I have never heard of this being done to rangers (outside to the pre-runner scene).

FYI I'm not a hater of the Toyota truck, in fact I would love to have one to SAS (but I do realize its WAY more work than SAS a 93-97 Ranger). I just realize every company manufactures their vehicles in different styles according to how they make money.

 

[DHEM]

that theory kinda makes sense. kinda like how a low power engine seems to run forever while the high power motor will need a rebuild every now and then.

And as far as boxed frame vs c-channel, c-channel is lighter and is very strong in horizontal loads, but suffers in torsional(twisting) strength. The boxed frame just solves the twisting part. Thats why big rigs use c-channels, save weight, strong enough, and your not driving across ditches with them.