Why the "STRONG" Toyota following???

[BigJohn76]

that theory kinda makes sense. kinda like how a low power engine seems to run forever while the high power motor will need a rebuild every now and then.

And as far as boxed frame vs c-channel, c-channel is lighter and is very strong in horizontal loads, but suffers in torsional(twisting) strength. The boxed frame just solves the twisting part. Thats why big rigs use c-channels, save weight, strong enough, and your not driving across ditches with them.

Have you seen a fully loaded semi take off from a dead stop? they twist like crazy from the torque. i dont think that a boxed frame on a 1/2 ton pickup is going to make it better than a C channel, but im no expert.

i know a guy that had a 2007 Tundra. when he first got it he loved it, but eventually when he started pulling more he found out that it sucked. one day he started it and all the dash lights came on and the truck died. got it fixed and less than a week later it did it again. he got the lights to shut off and drove to the Chevy dealer and traded it for a brand new 2500 D-max and loves it.

I just had a guy come buy a car from me and had a tundra. he loved it. he bought it because the ball joints went out on his ford at 20,000 miles. the dealer he brought it to gave him a hard time so he drove up the street and bought a toyota.

its all in the way a person thinks. i personally have had the best luck with dodges, but im still a ford guy. everything i own has a blue oval, but even those have problems.

 

[DHEM]

Have you seen a fully loaded semi take off from a dead stop? they twist like crazy from the torque. i dont think that a boxed frame on a 1/2 ton pickup is going to make it better than a C channel, but im no expert.

i know a guy that had a 2007 Tundra. when he first got it he loved it, but eventually when he started pulling more he found out that it sucked. one day he started it and all the dash lights came on and the truck died. got it fixed and less than a week later it did it again. he got the lights to shut off and drove to the Chevy dealer and traded it for a brand new 2500 D-max and loves it.

I just had a guy come buy a car from me and had a tundra. he loved it. he bought it because the ball joints went out on his ford at 20,000 miles. the dealer he brought it to gave him a hard time so he drove up the street and bought a toyota.

its all in the way a person thinks. i personally have had the best luck with dodges, but im still a ford guy. everything i own has a blue oval, but even those have problems.

Some big rig's chassis are designed to twist too, they make the frame rails out of spring steel and rivet or bolt cross members in, supposedly doing that reduces the risk of cracking but it will limit how much you can haul. I see big Rigs ussully rock over when they start moving from a stop, but never seen one really twist, so it could be that some people are pushing the limits of their rig. again im not an expert but thats just from what i've studied. But heres alittle part of an article to kinda prove my point

"GM's 2011 HD trucks both have a completely redesigned fully boxed frame built with additional high strength steel to greatly reduce twist and flex. The front section is hydroformed, which is much stronger and holds up better to snow plow use."

And with that, Chevy grabs the longest wheel base Superduty and Silverado HD, throws a bunch of weight in the back and flexes the hell out of them. Because in the 'real' world, you'll drive across a ditch while hauling a load. Meanwhile in the real world, SD is still able to out tow while getting better MPG, thus selling more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuqESiO_MFM

 

[legoms013]

My dad has an 07 4x4 tundra. At first we thought it was great, until he had to tow a real load and it just flat out sucked, braking, acceleration ect. Yeah sure it rides nice, gets ok mileage, and drives like a camry.

BUT IT ISN"T A REAL TRUCK.

Now he wants a Cummins equipped Dodge.

 

[heptofite]

My dad has an 07 4x4 tundra. At first we thought it was great, until he had to tow a real load and it just flat out sucked, braking, acceleration ect. Yeah sure it rides nice, gets ok mileage, and drives like a camry.

BUT IT ISN"T A REAL TRUCK.

Now he wants a Cummins equipped Dodge.

anecdote is not data.

 

[legoms013]

anecdote is not data.

Yeah, whats your point wise guy?

All I am saying is that if you have REAL work to get done, Tundras aren't for you.

 

[Jason]

There are quite a few farmers using them BUT, if you have real work to do NO half-ton is for you.

 

[legoms013]

I never ruled out other half tons from other manufacturers.

However, a real work truck has a diesel motor and heavy duty chassis, something Toyota has yet to offer (and I hope they never do).

America's big 3 make great HD pickups......Tundras/Tacomas are geared more towards light duty and residential work.

They simply are not manufactured to the degree needed for towing and hauling for commercial purposes.

And that holds true for all half tons as-well, though Ford and Chevy have done a good job blurring the lines between half ton and 3/4 ton capabilities. They both make an excellent half ton.

Toyota, not so much. Not sure why so many people believe they are driving a vehicle that is so much more "superior" than everyone else's.

 

[Jason]

I never ruled out other half tons from other manufacturers.

However, a real work truck has a diesel motor and heavy duty chassis, something Toyota has yet to offer (and I hope they never do).

America's big 3 make great HD pickups......Tundras/Tacomas are geared more towards light duty and residential work.

They simply are not manufactured to the degree needed for towing and hauling for commercial purposes.

And that holds true for all half tons as-well, though Ford and Chevy have done a good job blurring the lines between half ton and 3/4 ton capabilities. They both make an excellent half ton.

Toyota, not so much. Not sure why so many people believe they are driving a vehicle that is so much more "superior" than everyone else's.

It has alot to do with resale, projected longevity and repair costs. I posted a pretty in depth repair comparison between my Ranger and Tacoma if you want to search for it.

 

[snomaker321]

When I was looking for my first vehicle 3 years ago I had my heart set on a tacoma. All I could afford was a late 80s/early 90s yota with 150,000. I picked up a '96 ranger for $800, drove it till i killed it, sold it for $300, and bought a 2004 ranger 4x4 with 58,000 for $6000. cant get anywhere close to that price with a tacoma.

Actually, after a quick craigslist search, that same $6000 would get me a '94 toyota with 134,000 mi.

This is if you can even find one old enough to afford. They all rusted to nothing. maybe thats why theyre so expensive, there are so many rangers everywhere.

 

[hoosier1104]

I am brand loyal to Ford but I buy what I can afford. If that means I have to buy a Yota, then so be it. My first choice will always be a Ford but that is how I was raised. Actually my father just bought a 2011 Ranger 4 cyclinder. He looked at every thing else and then took a ride in my Ranger. He liked the ergo of it so he bought one. He also loves my 5.0 swap. To each their own. It is what it is I guess.

 

[RangerMtnHigh]

what a can of worms..

 

[mhughes165]

well, they asked why there is such a strong following for toyota's, lol this was only bound to happen lol, and who actually tows heavy ass loads with there rangers lol, i dont even know why the comparison with towing comes up between rangers and yota's lol, neither one is designed with towing in mind lol.

in the 80's
toyota- Light, pretty much bulletproof axles (even the IFS up to 35's) reliable transmissions and transfercases, reliable engines(aside from the v6 which isnt even bad)

Ranger- heavier, axles leave a lot to be desired, decent trans and t-cases, reliable engines(once again aside from the v6 2.9 which had head crackage issues)

they are BOTH excellent platforms for improvement, but in the 80's for a bulletproof truck you just cant beat the toyota, esp if its 85 or older, the toyota solid axles will hold 38.5s all day long and even bigger if u get aftermarket shafts, cant say that about a ranger with stock axles, even the toyota IFS has been known to handle a thrashing on 38's

now that being said, this is part of why the costs of a nice toyota is getting so rediculous, ive sold FRAMES from 80's toyotas for more then i can sell a whole 80's ranger, now thats where the rust factor comes in, but our rangers arent immune from the rust monster like everyone has been sayin, we rot too, just in different places

 

[robertc1024]

Here's my spin on why I wouldn't like a 'yota. Parts costs. I just got on Rockauto and looked up their prices on a front brake caliper. Both Raybestos brand. 'yota - $37.79, ranger - $21.79. The last few cars I've had have all been foreign and the differences between their parts costs and Ranger parts costs are HUGE.

 

[RangerMtnHigh]

who cares about where toyotas are made, how well any of these vehicles are made or any details like that, the point is toyotas are UGLY

 

[Jason]

And buying based on looks alone is why American car companies sold people absolute shit for 20+ years and so many people got stuck driving Chrysler Corp cars.