Trans adapters

[jamie4ltr]

Does anyone make a Bellhousing adapter that mounts a V8 auto trans up to a 4.0Ltr? All I can find is adapters to mount a 4.0Ltr trans up to a V8 - which doesn't seem to make sense!

 

[adsm08]

Actually that isn't as stupid as it sounds. The 4.0 and 5.0 throw down very similar numbers until about 3200 RPM.

 

[jamie4ltr]

Yes, and then the 5.0Ltr puts out about 40 more ft/Lbs of torque, which is why the Mazda 5speeds last longer in Ranger's then F150's. But that didn't answer my question AT ALL Mr. Technician!

 

[Mac]

I'm no "Mr. Technician" but I do know how to find the tech library up top, section on transmissions and swaps. 2.8, 2.9 and 4.0 seem to share the same bellhousing. The smaller 6 bangers did come with the C-5 which is basically a V-8 auto. If there are no adapters made, modify something or accept it.
Dave

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

The only real options are using the 2.8 C5 bell on a case fill C4 trans. They also have an adaptor for the rear to still use a RBV T-case if you so desire. Both are found on 83-84 Rangers and Bronco II's. While you can make a V6 C5 the same as a V8 C4 or C5 there are differences out of the box with the V6 version of course weaker.

I will also add that for a dd the lack of overdrive sucks...

4.0's kill enough transmissions I agree it would be stupid to tie a V8 in front of one.

 

[jamie4ltr]

I am aware that 2.8/2.9/4.0Ltr share the same bellhousing from personal experiences. 5speeds only - I don't know much about autos, except that they all blow up and then I get cheap/free parts Xplders!
So is a C-5 trans from a V6 just as strong as a C-5 from a V8?
What I really want to know is if I can mount a AOD trans from a F150 up to a 4.0Ltr?

 

[jamie4ltr]

85_Ranger4x4 - My last post was before I read your post - Thanks for the info! A friend is starting a Ford 10.5"/Dana60 swap on his Ranger. His A4LD is in blown and in about 100 pcs right now. It seems like a good time to put a stronger trans/tcase in. For now he is happy with the 4.0Ltr and has lots of $ to spend on new gears/lockers etc. - so no 5.0Ltr swap right now. The AOD/BW1356's are readily available at the auto wreckers. Is it possible to mount that trans to his 4.0Ltr? Or maybe the F150 trans/tcase isn't that much stronger then a A4LD/BW1354 and not worth the effort? I don't know much about auto trans OR F150's. Just TTB Ranger's and Xploder's!

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

The AOD or 4R70W is MUCH stronger than any incarnation of the A4LD. I think Advance Adaptor may have made something to attach a Colone V6 to one but I don't think they do anymore. You might check out their website.

Usually their stuff is pretty pricey too.

IMO I would go to the 4.0 Ranger M5OD, it would pretty much drop in and probably be cheaper than the adaptors. And you still have overdrive.

I have the C5 in mine, someday I hope to have the '150 M5OD behind it.

 

[jamie4ltr]

IMO he should switch to the M5ODR1 as well but he hates 5peeds as much as I hate autos!!! His Ranger is a dd, so a 4speed od trans is a must. We looked on Advanced Adapters website and all we found were adapter plates to mate Ranger trans to V8's - Thats already been discussed.
Do you want to put a M5OD from a F150 into your Ranger? I've been told they have the EXACT same internals as the Ranger M5OD's - just a bigger housing. Another friend seems to go through 1 every year in his F150. I'm pretty sure 36's and 3.55 gears play a strong part in that too though!

 

[Captain Ledd]

Do you want to put a M5OD from a F150 into your Ranger? I've been told they have the EXACT same internals as the Ranger M5OD's - just a bigger housing. Another friend seems to go through 1 every year in his F150. I'm pretty sure 36's and 3.55 gears play a strong part in that too though!

Nope. Similar name, entirely different transmissions. Almost nothing swaps (I say almost because I do believe a lot of the Mazda transmissions have similar shift lever assemblies), completely different ratios.

It is kind of a shame nobody makes a housing to mate them to Ranger engines.

 

[Twister]

You could throw a 700r4 behind it, i know its not a fullsize ford one, but they an be built strong for cheap.

http://www.transmissioncenter.org/a4ld.htm

 

[jamie4ltr]

Nope. Similar name, entirely different transmissions. Almost nothing swaps (I say almost because I do believe a lot of the Mazda transmissions have similar shift lever assemblies), completely different ratios.

It is kind of a shame nobody makes a housing to mate them to Ranger engines.

Sorry, I didn't mean the ratios or length of shafts. I had heard that bearings/shafts/gears were the same diameters though? Everything that makes it strong/weak.

 

[Captain Ledd]

Sorry, I didn't mean the ratios or length of shafts. I had heard that bearings/shafts/gears were the same diameters though? Everything that makes it strong/weak.

All much larger in the R2 version. It's still no ZF or NV series, but it's larger than the R1/Ranger transmission. They won't fit, any way you slice it.

 

[jamie4ltr]

Is the ZF trans stronger then the R2? All the auto wreckers around here told me they are NOT.

 

[superds]

Yes, the ZF transmission found in F series pickups, circa 90s, is stronger than the Mazda M5OD-R2 found in the same pickups. Generally, you find the R2 in lighter duty F150s with 5.0s and the ZF was reserved for 3/4 and one tons with bigger engines (not hard facts, just generalizing, I think you could get a ZF in a half ton with the 5.8 also).