Rubicon Ready Suspension Lift

[bobbywalter]

I typed out a whole big long explanation just now and the internet locked up so i am not gonna retype it all.. My point was that my 2wd will wheel better than most stock 4wd's. I personally haven't seen many stock 4wd's that are very off road capable.. I mean other than like a jeep rubicon or something, they are pretty sad... And my truck even now the way it sits can do MANY things that MOST stock 4wd's can't do... Obviously there are things that they can do that I cannot as well.. I am saying, I have a lot of clearance and great tires... My truck will be capable of wheeling better than basically any stock full size 4wd vehicles (f-series, silverados, rams, suburbans, etc)... Which means it will wheel better than MOST 4wd vehicles on the road.. Probably even do equivalent to or better than a non-locked wrangler etc... That is all.. And I have been to the rubicon but it has been years... And I OBVIOUSLY would not be able to make all the nasty stuff.. Probably none of it.. I just want to do as much as I can and see how I do.. And I know you will still disagree, but.. I have already done many things that many stock 4wd's can't do strictly because of clearance alone..

well, if your crossing a 24 inch log and have 25 in of belly height and 35 in tires and i am in a stock chevy pickup, i guess you would go farther if it wasnt too slick and uphill and i would have to hurt the stocker to try and pull it off. so situational i guess i am wrong. its concievable in some extreme case of testing if the tire and clearance is huge on the 2wd.

i tell ya what. come to hollister in march. i will likely be there....i may possibly be in jv in feburary....if i go to jv i can try to rent a 4wd critter...like a vitara or something.

thing is....there are many ways to gain traction when you can pull both ends. and i will use these to my advantage.


dont know when your con run will be, but i would like to see it compared directly to a run of the mill...bone stock sami/tracker type thing or xj...even a s blazer or ttb explorer. it really would be interesting.

 

[YamahaWR200]

well, if your crossing a 24 inch log and have 25 in of belly height and 35 in tires and i am in a stock chevy pickup, i guess you would go farther if it wasnt too slick and uphill and i would have to hurt the stocker to try and pull it off. so situational i guess i am wrong. its concievable in some extreme case of testing if the tire and clearance is huge on the 2wd.

i tell ya what. come to hollister in march. i will likely be there....i may possibly be in jv in feburary....if i go to jv i can try to rent a 4wd critter...like a vitara or something.

thing is....there are many ways to gain traction when you can pull both ends. and i will use these to my advantage.


dont know when your con run will be, but i would like to see it compared directly to a run of the mill...bone stock sami/tracker type thing or xj...even a s blazer or ttb explorer. it really would be interesting.

Yeah.. i do agree with you. I think it would be VERY interesting.. I have seen some of those geo's and samis go and they are ridiculous.. Like I said, and as you pointed out, there are situations (possibly extreme) that would show that. And the rubicon I feel is an extreme.. I know that as you said, there are ways to find traction and I agree.. And there are more ways a stock 4wd would have an advantage than a big 2wd would.. I agree with you there.. I know that my truck has no chance against any 4wd till i at least lock it.. And I am not sure when I can afford that.. My con run will hopefully be end of summer 2011.. And I know for a fact that my truck will not be ready by march.. ha ha Unless people want to "chip in" to my project.. But I agree, I would love to see it (my truck) compete against a stock geo or whatever with all-terrains.. Because I think if they were running mud's I would in most situations again, lose.. But bone stock w/o lockers, I honestly feel it will be a pretty fair fight...

 

[The_Dealer]

i had a 2wd locked 8.8 with a mid travel kit and deavers...no way in hell i coulda ran the rubi in it. stockish 4wds have trouble doing it(ie: jeeps on 31's yota ifs on 31's, etc)

 

[YamahaWR200]

I don't know.. Cause there are people that are out there and break their front drive shafts and stuff and limp out fine..

 

[The_Dealer]

with a strap. think your 2wd is equivalent to a stock 4wd? ill put my b2 up against it anyday. even with my small 30" tires. try to back up a muddy hill with a 2wd locked...then try it with a bone stock jeep wrangler...yea the jeep will make it. ive tried alot of stuff in my yj on 38.5" boggers in 2wd locked, and a stock jeep in 4wd would have went farther then i could go.

dont get me wrong ive seen some 2wd's go alot of places you would think they wouldnt, but with alot of speed and momentum. and at the expense of broken parts. if i read right u have 2wd with a tcase? that will help out alot, esp if u are 5spd, but i guarantee u cant make it down the rubicon with a 2wd, unless u plan on jumping stuff. not trying to flame but u are acting like your 2wd is gonna make it. fawk a locked 2wd xterra couldnt even make it 1/4 way up rocky mountain loop in uwarrie. and thats p***y shit

 

[bobbywalter]

i know you could run bypass through the con locked with 35 in tires during a period when its dry. be some winchin and stackin...getting over cadillac might not happen without damage..


with that said...when you get to a spot that needs 4 wheel drive...


well....it needs 4 wheel drive

 

[YamahaWR200]

ha no I hear you guys.. I just feel I will be able to do it.. And no t-case YET.. I am gonna run a double t-case and convert to SAS when I am done... And I know 4wds have many advantages over 2wds.. And yes I will run it in the dry.. I am gonna basically try and do it on the easiest routes I can... It is my DD.. So I can't abuse it too hard..

 

[The_Dealer]

those 5.71's are gonna grenade with those 36's locked. id carry at least a spare set of gears to get u off. thing about 2wd is if the axle has probs, there aint no limpn back

 

[YamahaWR200]

those 5.71's are gonna grenade with those 36's locked. id carry at least a spare set of gears to get u off. thing about 2wd is if the axle has probs, there aint no limpn back

I thought about that, but I am only runnin a 4 banger.. And I can't imagine getting enough traction with such a light rear end to break them... I went to the 8.8 cause i knew the 7.5 wouldn't be able to handle it, but the 8.8 I can't imagine breaking. No horsepower/torque plus no weight.. I don't know.. Anyone else have an opinion on that as well??

 

[bobbywalter]

513 gears. hell a ff rear 60 swap or the cc 14 bolt with 456 and detroit can be found out there with some digging for cheaper then a gear swap in an 8.8

i am a fan of full floaters, and its possible had i converted my 8.8 to full float and trussed it properly my truck would still have a d35 in it.


when you are intentionally abusing stuff in this manner, your gonna find theres no such thing as guarantee you wont break it, 4 cylinder or not.

 

[The_Dealer]

plus the run and pinion are so thing because of the ratio. thats why they dont make 4.56's or 5.13's for the d28 anymore

 

[YamahaWR200]

I know there is no guarantee I won't break anything.. I'm just saying I think it will be able to handle it.. And I went 5.71's because my truck is my DD and it is PERFECT gearing for everyday driving and freeway running.. So.. I kind of had to do it, but I can change things if I MUST, but again, this is a budget build so.. I am avoiding extra costs if I can...

 

[YamahaWR200]

Also, I wanted to know what everyone thinks about c-clip eliminators.. Yay or nay? I have been reading about it online, and it seems like people don't really say it has a big advantage over not having it. Anyone with personal experience either way??

 

[The_Dealer]

i'd go full float. c clips suck. last time i broke a c clip shaft i thought people were cheering me on. went to reverse and looked out the drivers door and the wheel was about 2ft outside the fender

 

[The_Dealer]

just take a spare shaft, and buy whatever limp home gears u can find for cheap. doesnt matter the ratio. just something to put in if u fawk up your r&p somehow. u dont want to be "that guy" that doesnt have what he needs and is blocking the trail. esp since 2wd cant limp out of the way