Overheating solved... plus mileage

[Rearanger]

Are you getting a CEL?

 

[bobbywalter]

My 99 ranger with 3.0 has a leaking filler neck and wrong gas cap . The truck is using a lot of gas, could these be the problem? what would the codes be when testing? Thanks!

yes it is possible.








yes randy, its also possible depending on filter design and where you get fuel from, to never change a fuel filter in 300k miles over 15 years as well. i have seen that happen on a chrysler product.


i guess if you named it..."hey guys that never change their filters" maybe it could help keep money in your wallet changing it more then every four years of shitty running.


the whole point went past you that routine maintenance would have left you totally ignorant that simple filter changes could save you four years of running like shit and driving you nuts. now you know for sure a shitty filter can cause issues.

the filler neck runs a whole different scenario as well that i would have been willing to explain on the over heating....but i am too tired from patting myself on the back






i was serious about cleaning the tank out though....

 

[Just_Randy]

yes it is possible.








yes randy, its also possible depending on filter design and where you get fuel from, to never change a fuel filter in 300k miles over 15 years as well. i have seen that happen on a chrysler product.


i guess if you named it..."hey guys that never change their filters" maybe it could help keep money in your wallet changing it more then every four years of shitty running.


the whole point went past you that routine maintenance would have left you totally ignorant that simple filter changes could save you four years of running like shit and driving you nuts. now you know for sure a shitty filter can cause issues.

the filler neck runs a whole different scenario as well that i would have been willing to explain on the over heating....but i am too tired from patting myself on the back






i was serious about cleaning the tank out though....

Maybe I should have named it "attn anally retentive knowitalls"... I might as well have.

1) Outside of your virtual box of friends sparsely scattered across the country, nobody changes fuel filters routinely. Nobody. Conduct a poll and see (not online either... in real life). The vast majority of people who are having trouble with Rangers and coming here for help are going to have dirty filters.

2) The Ranger 3.0 will run lean and therefore hot with a plugged filter. Maybe other vehicles will too.

3) Extremely few mechanics are going to suspect a plugged filter being the cause of overheating. We've already had "decades worth of experience" say it can't happen.

When you take 1 + 2 + 3, we have nobody changing filters on a truck that will run hot if its not changed and nobody is going to be able to put it together. Hence why the thread is here.

The idea being someone (maybe a previous chrysler owner) will see the thread and think "Well a filter isn't very expensive and really should be changed anyway, so maybe I'll try that". And it might work for them.

Otherwise we have threads like these:

http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129359&highlight=overheating

Everyone ran out of ideas and nobody suggested fuel filter.

http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125167&highlight=overheating

No fuel filter again

http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124500&highlight=overheating

Still nobody saying anything about a fuel filter. I'm not saying a filter was the cause of their issues, but it certainly could have been brought up! Search "overheating" on here and you'll get pages and pages of results. I've yet to see one mention anything about a fuel filter. But now you're acting like its common knowledge. Where were you with your 14,000 posts?

I'm not cleaning out the tank. The filter's job is to filter that trash out. If the fuel pump craps out due to it, then I'll clean the tank at that point while replacing the pump... maybe. If my truck overheats again, I'll change the filter. Otherwise I'm just going to drive it.

The filler neck is a recent issue and had nothing to do with overheating, but had a lot to do with big puddles of gas on the ground at the gas station.

 

[Just_Randy]

My 99 ranger with 3.0 has a leaking filler neck and wrong gas cap . The truck is using a lot of gas, could these be the problem? what would the codes be when testing? Thanks!

Yes, gas is spashing out of the tank!

If you already know what the problem is, why do you need a code? But mine was P1443

These trucks use a lot of gas anyway.

 

[bobbywalter]

Maybe I should have named it "attn anally retentive knowitalls"... I might as well have.

1) Outside of your virtual box of friends sparsely scattered across the country, nobody changes fuel filters routinely. Nobody. Conduct a poll and see (not online either... in real life). The vast majority of people who are having trouble with Rangers and coming here for help are going to have dirty filters.

2) The Ranger 3.0 will run lean and therefore hot with a plugged filter. Maybe other vehicles will too.

3) Extremely few mechanics are going to suspect a plugged filter being the cause of overheating. We've already had "decades worth of experience" say it can't happen.

When you take 1 + 2 + 3, we have nobody changing filters on a truck that will run hot if its not changed and nobody is going to be able to put it together. Hence why the thread is here.

The idea being someone (maybe a previous chrysler owner) will see the thread and think "Well a filter isn't very expensive and really should be changed anyway, so maybe I'll try that". And it might work for them.

Otherwise we have threads like these:

http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129359&highlight=overheating

Everyone ran out of ideas and nobody suggested fuel filter.

http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125167&highlight=overheating

No fuel filter again

http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124500&highlight=overheating

Still nobody saying anything about a fuel filter. I'm not saying a filter was the cause of their issues, but it certainly could have been brought up! Search "overheating" on here and you'll get pages and pages of results. I've yet to see one mention anything about a fuel filter. But now you're acting like its common knowledge. Where were you with your 14,000 posts?

I'm not cleaning out the tank. The filter's job is to filter that trash out. If the fuel pump craps out due to it, then I'll clean the tank at that point while replacing the pump... maybe. If my truck overheats again, I'll change the filter. Otherwise I'm just going to drive it.

The filler neck is a recent issue and had nothing to do with overheating, but had a lot to do with big puddles of gas on the ground at the gas station.

i am not convinced yours was the filter altogether. just how many years is a tank sock supposed to last anyway?

there were many threads over the years where some were instructed on how to do a volume test and load tests with gauge. i tried to search for those and cant find them so no wonder you cant either its possible they are lost along with a shit ton of other data.. they would outline this issue in full. thats why i dont like to tell people to search endlessly...

while yours is obd2... obd1 is hard to diagnose certain issues as there are not really any fuel codes short of power issues and lean rich. certain drivability complaints demand a cruise with a gauge to see whats happening. so it was a regular thing for many years and i still keep a gauge just for that...that and a volume test.

just on the pic i suspect ethanol goo build up in your tank. that shit is horrendous and relentless if it sits long enough. you may or may not have an issue, i can see where you could care less to open it up...it is a pia. if there is an issue the slow build will cause other difficult diagnosis issues with sticky injectors etc....


if it was truly starvation or aeration or a combination of those the plugs should have indicated that as well.







and in a real world poll among my sparse friends, reading plugs and changing filters is common.

usually when fuel starvation is an issue for heat its because it needs a tune and bigger injectors to make up for the new h.c.i. because we the sparse few change the filter regularly and monitor fuel quality, plugged filters are not always an issue on the table.


but i live where we have blended fuel and the last 10-12 years its been a real issue with older seasonal vehicles. especially boats. it eats the nylon socks right off of the pump.....but you find that after the pump dies usually.





i did not see where i was being a dick know it all in my initial posts.

with this particular filter they like to plug easily so you must get good fuel for the most part, and lower miles of course....so many variables you cant cover it all, so four years is a legitimate surprise to me.

 

[Just_Randy]

i did not see where i was being a dick know it all in my initial posts.

Your first post was to quote McCormack who said "I won't discount Just_Randy's real life experience, BUT I've worked on cars and trucks for decades snip blah blah" and then proceeded to discount everything I said. To which you simply replied "i am with ya".

Then you directed at me "yeah.....first thing that came to my mind.....four years no fuel filter

really?



holy shit...."

Like I'm any different than the masses of people. If you're any type of mechanic, you should know no one changes fuel filters until they're forced to.

Then you go on to say "dont recall you asking, but when certain drivabilty issues come up i suggest to do volume testing along with operating with a fp gauge under all load conditions."

Maybe I didn't ask, but 100's of others have. And somehow you've managed to rack up 14,000 posts without saying shit to any of them. Why would I ask when the topic has been covered 100 of times before? I just read what was said to others who have asked.

Then you hop on a soap box and toot your horn saying "when i buy a used car....unless its obviously brand new it gets all new fliters in everthing that has one...and i maintain it from there."

Well goodie for you. When I 1st bought this truck I had a shit ton of things to fix. Someone took out the CEL bulb and the door ajar bulb (for obvious reasons). So I had to put those back in and fix the door switch. Then fix the cam position sensor, egr, and new plugs n wires. And the truck came with TSL tires, so I had to get new tires and rims. I wanted to be able to switch tires from street tire to TSL for offroading. But I did manage to change the engine oil, tranny oil, and top off the diffs. Somehow the fuel filter escaped my attention. Sue me.

So, by the time you came along on this thread, I about had enough with you guys dis'n what I said and giving me shit for not changing my filter. You was just the lucky one to pick the last straw. You've only been a member here 1 month longer than me, yet I have only 100 posts. I don't live here. I just came back as a goodwill service to the community and what I got was everyone jumping on my back and riding me for something everyone does and it doesn't add a shit's worth of substance to the thread.

i am not convinced yours was the filter altogether. just how many years is a tank sock supposed to last anyway?

As I said before, I'm open to other explanations. The only thing that changed was the filter. Unless you think the filler tube or 12,000lb winch had anything to do with it. The tank sock is still in there. I never cracked the tank open.

there were many threads over the years where some were instructed on how to do a volume test and load tests with gauge. i tried to search for those and cant find them so no wonder you cant either its possible they are lost along with a shit ton of other data.. they would outline this issue in full. thats why i dont like to tell people to search endlessly...

I have no idea how to do these tests. And I'm at the mercy of autozone when it comes to codes.

just on the pic i suspect ethanol goo build up in your tank. that shit is horrendous and relentless if it sits long enough. you may or may not have an issue, i can see where you could care less to open it up...it is a pia. if there is an issue the slow build will cause other difficult diagnosis issues with sticky injectors etc....

If ethanol will do that then no doubt I have lots of goo. 100% gas is at a 40 cent premium here. 10% ethanol runs just fine. I work on a lot of atvs and carbs plug up quick just sitting over the winter. The gas we have now days is crap. Back in the 90s I filled my generator up and let it sit for the better part of 10 yrs, after which it fired right up and ran great.

if it was truly starvation or aeration or a combination of those the plugs should have indicated that as well.

I put new dbl plat plugs in and never took them out. So no clue what they look like. I put $200 in parts in this engine trying to get the CEL to go away. After that money and work, the truck ran the same. I put the new plugs in and it was like a different truck! I'm a big fan of the motorcraft double platinum plugs!

and in a real world poll among my sparse friends, reading plugs and changing filters is common.

That isn't the real world. Go stand at autozone with a clip board and ask everyone who pulls up when the last time they changed their filter. You'll get a deer in the headlights look 99% of the time I bet.

usually when fuel starvation is an issue for heat its because it needs a tune and bigger injectors to make up for the new h.c.i. because we the sparse few change the filter regularly and monitor fuel quality, plugged filters are not always an issue on the table.

Bigger injectors? Huh? I don't wanna make a religion out of my truck. I just want to drive it.

but i live where we have blended fuel and the last 10-12 years its been a real issue with older seasonal vehicles. especially boats. it eats the nylon socks right off of the pump.....but you find that after the pump dies usually.

I thought about replacing the pump while I had the tank out. I guess I'm rolling the dice now. But then I decided if I have to pull the tank again, I'll fix the leaking rear main as well. Already had one go at that, but apparently I need a sleeve over my crank. Fix Or Repair Daily seems not too far off from these trucks. http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21635

with this particular filter they like to plug easily so you must get good fuel for the most part, and lower miles of course....so many variables you cant cover it all, so four years is a legitimate surprise to me.

No man... its been closer to 10yrs. Like I said the guy before me got 6. Its a napa filter and the date says 2001 or 2003... its hard to read. But I don't drive it much. Since I've owned it, I don't think I've quite put 25k miles on.

The fact that this surprises you, surprises me! I think you're lucky to find people changing their oil at twice the interval they should, nevermind a fuel filter! I am at a loss of how you don't know this with as much as you seem to know about engines.

The only thing I do religiously is oil changes. I have no faith in viscosity modifiers. I use cheap oil and change it very often... especially in atvs or motorcycles where the gears shear the oil. You probably already know, but 5w-30 oil is really 5w oil with additives to make it act like a 30 oil. Those additives break down quick, leaving you with 5w oil all the time. Everything else can stay on/in until it rots/plugs up and I'll change/fix it as needed. And as the fuel filter starts to plug up, I'll get better gas mileage... and more heat... this winter feels like it might be a cold one!

 

[bobbywalter]

i am surprised about how you feel about the fuel filters not getting changed.

its easy to do and is a reason many do it. the majority of vehicles i see have non oem filters.


the thing with mcormick was not meant in that context...it was with the rarity of it being possible in this scenario and the vehicle actually operate with any power it all..




the h.c.i. scenario usually happens with a v8 swap and not heavily relevant to this conversation....but lean hot is a constant when building power



but i have some minor mechanical ability....and the reasons to change a fuel filter are constant..

reading plugs though and a vacuum gauge....the masses wont do that.

 

[Just_Randy]

i am surprised about how you feel about the fuel filters not getting changed.

its easy to do and is a reason many do it. the majority of vehicles i see have non oem filters.


the thing with mcormick was not meant in that context...it was with the rarity of it being possible in this scenario and the vehicle actually operate with any power it all..




the h.c.i. scenario usually happens with a v8 swap and not heavily relevant to this conversation....but lean hot is a constant when building power



but i have some minor mechanical ability....and the reasons to change a fuel filter are constant..

reading plugs though and a vacuum gauge....the masses wont do that.

I'm not opposed to changing filters. Like I said earlier I always had it in mind to do and actually bought the filter long ago. I just never saw a dire need to change it. I'm always working on other things and figured when it was "truck day", I would do it then. I even drove around with the cracked filler tube for a while. I just couldn't fill the tank up all the way or it would spill on the ground. When I got a deal on a winch, it became "truck week". I had to fabricate a lot on the front bumper, then I decided to see why the tank was leaking. That led to finally changing my filter. If not for that winch, we wouldn't be here now.

It really wasn't that easy to do. I had the line depressurized and still gas went everywhere. And I hate gas! It makes the paint on my floor bubble up and fills the garage with gas stink. Of course this was after figuring out how to dismantle the lines in the first place. The book didn't say how. I'm pulling n tuggin n not sure if I need some kind of tool like a refrigerant tool or not. And the thing is every vehicle is different. Some take wrenches and they're usually pretty tight, so vicegrips get involved. Anytime anyone mentions fuel filter, I cringe. I think I'd about rather go to the dentist lol

I like the kind on the old style on carbs. You easily take the line off at the carb, gas drips nicely down the engine and never makes it to the floor, you pop out the little filter, pop and new one in and its over. Its almost like changing a AA battery. Now days its a puzzle, a mess, and a feat of strength all wrapped in one. To change my grandfather's filter I had to put a wrench on and use a scissor jack to jack up the wrench to break the line nut loose. That's crazy! That project took hours just to do something you're saying is easy and routine.

But, what's wrong with waiting until there is a symptom of a clogged filter before changing it? Why do we have to change them "unnecessarily"? I wrote down the date and mileage, so after 15,000 miles I notice the truck is running hotter, I change the filter and see what happens. Which will be 3-4yrs as much as I drive it. So what's wrong with that?