More Air to The Intake vs. economy

[Fordsforever]

What about...
On my 1992 Ford Ranger 2.3L 4cyl. while working trying to solve a "Ck eng. light" I happened to notice on the air induction tube, a cylindrical shaped cone that apears to direct the intake air to the sides of the tube before entering the intake manifold. Since this appears to restrict the air flow, what if the cone was removed or altered to allow more air to pass. Wouldn't this allow for better combustion/economy??? What do you guys/girls think???

 

[mhughes165]

esentially thats what a CAI intake does, if u eliminate the stock piping which is always restrictive then itll breathe better which = better throttle responce, better gasmileage, and better power(not so much power)

 

[Fordsforever]

Well, I thought that would be the case so here goes...with my trusty hole saw and a bit that will fit I am opening up the air passage. Having done this, I'll let you know what happens. Cheap Fix if it works.

 

[ForOffRoadDriving]

its still a 2.3l though, so any improvement will be very unnoticeable. i put a CAI on my 1990, it made it sound cool, i could hear the air being sucked in way harder, but that was it, just sound. i ended up taking it off though because one good splash through a puddle and it suffocated my filter. i also lost MPG because i was constatly driving it hard to get that "sound".

 

[mhughes165]

if u didnt drive harder u woulda gotten alot metter mileage

 

[MAKG]

if u didnt drive harder u woulda gotten alot metter mileage

Substantiate that.

'Cause it's not at all a given.

And it's much MUCH more likely that it would have been exactly the same.

The idea that you lose mileage by sucking through a stock intake is just shy of crazy. No, you use less air AND less fuel. In proportion. The energy used to suck air through a filter is utterly negligible. Comparable to the energy expended hauling all that bullsh*t along with you.

 

[almostclueless]

Substantiate that.

'Cause it's not at all a given.

And it's much MUCH more likely that it would have been exactly the same.

The idea that you lose mileage by sucking through a stock intake is just shy of crazy. No, you use less air AND less fuel. In proportion. The energy used to suck air through a filter is utterly negligible. Comparable to the energy expended hauling all that bullsh*t along with you.

I'm not sure I agree that the engine is going to draw less air, as it requires a specific amount to turn a specific RPM and produce a specific amount of power. Additionally, the driver will require the vehicle to perform to their satisfaction, and is very likely to increase the throttle in reponse to any perceived lethargy...at which point vacuum in the intake tract will lower and the engine management system will decrease the A/F ratio. In short, IMO it depends on the driver, but if they feel like their vehicle accelerates without too much difficulty I wouldn't be surprised if they get on the loud pedal less.

 

[mhughes165]

Substantiate that.

'Cause it's not at all a given.

And it's much MUCH more likely that it would have been exactly the same.

The idea that you lose mileage by sucking through a stock intake is just shy of crazy. No, you use less air AND less fuel. In proportion. The energy used to suck air through a filter is utterly negligible. Comparable to the energy expended hauling all that bullsh*t along with you.

i never said u would lose mileage by sucking through a stock intake, simply that a stock intake is not as efficient as it could be, if changing the intake gives no gains, then why would anyone ever port and polish intakes to flow more air? also, if u produce more power with the amount of fuel and air u use that will mean u will use less gas to maintain the same amount of power, thus a increase in gas mileage, if it wasnt tru the companies like k&n, and AEM would not be in business today

 

[blackbronc]

Here we go again?

 

[mikhail]

i never noticed a power increase on my 2.9 when i put a high flow intake on it. only a sucking/whirling sound you can hear at idle.

 

[mhughes165]

Here we go again?

im simply stating that which i have learned to be tru over numerous NUMEROUS customer and personal expeiences. although it may not be a huge gain like some people want, it has always increased, except for the average drive under the age of 25...who feels the need to keep the pedal down to hear the intake all the time

 

[mhughes165]

i never noticed a power increase on my 2.9 when i put a high flow intake on it. only a sucking/whirling sound you can hear at idle.

you wont feel a power gain on a stock motor, but till be there, in the course of things u cant feel 2hp with ur but dyno, hell u can barely feel 10-20hp with the but dyno

 

[mikhail]

i was wondering why the dont just come from the factory with an efficient intake? it shouldnt cost more, most the time they are simpler.

 

[mhughes165]

b/c lots of times intakes dont have hookups for emissions equipment, and they are also trying there dmandest to keep the engines intake quite, not everyone likes to hear andything but a hum ever. personally i think it would be awesome, but there are less people that modify and take care of there cars then there are people that just get in them and drive them and freak out if it makes anything but a hum

 

[MAKG]

b/c lots of times intakes dont have hookups for emissions equipment, and they are also trying there dmandest to keep the engines intake quite, not everyone likes to hear andything but a hum ever. personally i think it would be awesome, but there are less people that modify and take care of there cars then there are people that just get in them and drive them and freak out if it makes anything but a hum

You sell auto parts?

I'll bet you sell lots of bullshit then. Like "tornados." Every auto parts store in existence seems to have them.

Customers DON'T HAVE A CLUE for the most part. That doesn't substantiate your claim. As for manufacturers not being able to hook up emissions to a "free flowing" intake, that's just more BS. What emissions is required? AT MOST a thermostatic switch. Period. And quite a few engines don't even have that.

So, keep digging yourself a hole. It's VERY clear you don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about.

That "2HP" BS (it's usually closer to 5HP) is claimed SPECIFICALLY because it's dang near impossible to measure even with a dyno. It's marketing.

Almostclueless, a "free flowing" intake isn't going to do anything UNLESS the throttle is mashed to the floor. The throttle is a FAR bigger restriction than any intake. And it also has to be revving quite high.