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K&N vs OEM Paper Airfilters


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Bob Ayers

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I thought it would be interesting to do a comparison of the K&N drop in air filter vs the OEM paper air filter:

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Filter media comparison:

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Summary: K&N filter media area = 270 SQ. " OEM Paper media area = 1485 SQ. "
 
People will argue that the K&N has bettering filtering qualities (smaller micron filtering).

I used to have a K&N panel filter on my GTI. I didn't notice any difference over the paper filter but I got the K&N as a christmas gift so I used it. I also bought the re-oiling/cleaner kit.

I only use paper filters now since I don't like the idea of having the oil from a K&N ruining my MAF. My intake tract was always oily in my GTI despite following the directions on the re-oiling kit. I never over oiled it, yet my intake tube and MAF always got oily (no, it wasn't blow-by)

BTW: You should post the cost of each filter.
 
Very nice. Thanks for showing us.. Anyone who thinks a K&N filters or flows better, is high.
 
Very nice. Thanks for showing us.. Anyone who thinks a K&N filters or flows better, is high.

They probably do flow better, remember they filter better as they get stuff in them... so a new one has gaping holes for the air to get thru.
 
They probably do flow better, remember they filter better as they get stuff in them... so a new one has gaping holes for the air to get thru.
The paper filter has 5 1/2 times the surface area, must be some big ass holes (do not want) in a k&n to flow more.
 
The paper filter has 5 1/2 times the surface area, must be some big ass holes (do not want) in a k&n to flow more.

Yeah, I always thought that it was funny that is one of their big pitches. Where do you suppose the stuff goes that doesn't get stuck in oil?:icon_confused:
 
bob you should do some really really really close ups of the ellaments
 
Very Interesting

Hmm. Very interesting to see the two filter elements unwrapped and spread out end to end.

Jiffycake, what year is your GTI? I am rocking my Mk1 Cabriolet wich has the JH 1.8 8v solid lifter motor originally used in the Rabbit/Golf GTI and they are notorious for oil spray off from the camshaft to enter the intake tube and filter element, but you are not suffering from this problem.

Back on topic, I have no reason to doubt K&N's claim that they "flow" better than oem because the air is obviously passing through less filter element.
 
I used to use one of the K&N intake kits on my 4.0 ohv, what a joke! All they do is make more noise but there was no performance gain what so ever. Ome thing I hated about is was the filter just sat out in the open off to the side in the engine compartment. It wasn't good for anyone who like to get their truck dirty. It was out in the open to suck up anything it could. I put the stock airbox back on after a couple of months.
 
Back on topic, I have no reason to doubt K&N's claim that they "flow" better than oem because the air is obviously passing through less filter element.
Huh? Suck a Given CFM of air through 1 square foot of filter media, and suck the same CFM through 5 square feet of filter media, which one is going to be more restrictive?
 
Back on topic, I have no reason to doubt K&N's claim that they "flow" better than oem because the air is obviously passing through less filter element.

Wrong assumption, the larger the filter media area, the more paths the air has to flow.....just think of the larger area as a larger diameter pipe.
 
CFM vs. CFM

Huh? Suck a Given CFM of air through 1 square foot of filter media, and suck the same CFM through 5 square feet of filter media, which one is going to be more restrictive?
I see what you are saying CFM's are CFM's and if you are sucking the same amount of CFM's through each filter media then the restriction will be the same. I still think K&N makes a bold claim and they have a lot of information on their website that really takes a look at the basic principles of air filtration. The below article is right from their website I know most of you will say that of course they are going to tell you cotton (K&N) is better because they are trying to sell it to you, but the information is thought provoking nonetheless.

Filtration 101 - A Deeper Cut
Most people believe that all air filters function on a go/no go basis where dirt particles that are larger than the openings in the filter media are trapped while particles that are smaller than the openings can pass right through. A dry paper air filter does function in this manner. That’s why paper filters are so restrictive to air flow. The openings in this type of filter have to be very small to filter efficiently.

The oiled cotton media used in the K&N air filter functions in an entirely different manner. There are scientific principles that determine how an air filter removes dirt particles from the air stream. The first of these principles is known as interception, which applies to dirt particles traveling with the air stream. Air flow will always take the shortest path and as the air is forced to flow around the filter’s fibers some of the particles will contact the sides of the fibers and be captured. These particles are then held in place by the oil or tacking agent in the fiber.

Another principle is known as impaction, which mostly affects larger or heavier dirt particles. Impaction occurs when the inertia or momentum of the particle causes it to deviate from the flow path. In other words the heavy particles do not follow the air stream around the filter’s fibers but instead they run straight into the fibers and are captured.

The most important principle for our use is diffusion, which deals with the laws of physics that govern the motion of very small dirt particles. Small particles are highly affected by the forces in the air stream. Forces such as velocity changes, pressure changes, turbulence caused by other particles and interaction with the air molecules cause these very small particles to become random and chaotic. As a result, these particles do not follow the air stream and their erratic motion causes them to collide with the filter’s fibers. This phenomenon enables an air filter to capture dirt particles that are much smaller than the openings in the media. In addition, the way that dirt collects or loads on the K&N filter is very different. A paper filter exhibits "surface loading" which means dust collects only on the surface of the media. In contrast, K&N filters exhibit "depth loading". The multiple layers of cotton fibers provide many levels of dust retention. This characteristic allows the K&N filter to hold significantly more dirt per square inch of media than the average paper filter. Utilizing these scientific principles, K&N has been able to design an air filter that is very free flowing while also being highly efficient at removing dirt from the air.


They have more info on things like Paper vs. Cotton (K&N) if you want to look at it http://www.knfilters.com/filter_facts.htm. I may have just added more fuel to the fire by bringing this up, but they claim their filters will flow more. I know most people are using the "seat of the pants" dyno to say they don't make any more noticeable power, but the flow bench tests show they do. K&N filters are most appealing to me mainly because they are a one time purchase (Have the same one in my Dad's 99 Power Stroke since 99) and if oiled and cleaned correctly they make for a good investment IMO. Not looking to start any feuds I am just giving my opinion and some correlating information.

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I see what you are saying CFM's are CFM's and if you are sucking the same amount of CFM's through each filter media then the restriction will be the same. I still think K&N makes a bold claim and they have a lot of information on their website that really takes a look at the basic principles of air filtration. The below article is right from their website I know most of you will say that of course they are going to tell you cotton (K&N) is better because they are trying to sell it to you, but the information is thought provoking nonetheless.

Filtration 101 - A Deeper Cut
Most people believe that all air filters function on a go/no go basis where dirt particles that are larger than the openings in the filter media are trapped while particles that are smaller than the openings can pass right through. A dry paper air filter does function in this manner. That’s why paper filters are so restrictive to air flow. The openings in this type of filter have to be very small to filter efficiently.

The oiled cotton media used in the K&N air filter functions in an entirely different manner. There are scientific principles that determine how an air filter removes dirt particles from the air stream. The first of these principles is known as interception, which applies to dirt particles traveling with the air stream. Air flow will always take the shortest path and as the air is forced to flow around the filter’s fibers some of the particles will contact the sides of the fibers and be captured. These particles are then held in place by the oil or tacking agent in the fiber.

Another principle is known as impaction, which mostly affects larger or heavier dirt particles. Impaction occurs when the inertia or momentum of the particle causes it to deviate from the flow path. In other words the heavy particles do not follow the air stream around the filter’s fibers but instead they run straight into the fibers and are captured.

The most important principle for our use is diffusion, which deals with the laws of physics that govern the motion of very small dirt particles. Small particles are highly affected by the forces in the air stream. Forces such as velocity changes, pressure changes, turbulence caused by other particles and interaction with the air molecules cause these very small particles to become random and chaotic. As a result, these particles do not follow the air stream and their erratic motion causes them to collide with the filter’s fibers. This phenomenon enables an air filter to capture dirt particles that are much smaller than the openings in the media. In addition, the way that dirt collects or loads on the K&N filter is very different. A paper filter exhibits "surface loading" which means dust collects only on the surface of the media. In contrast, K&N filters exhibit "depth loading". The multiple layers of cotton fibers provide many levels of dust retention. This characteristic allows the K&N filter to hold significantly more dirt per square inch of media than the average paper filter. Utilizing these scientific principles, K&N has been able to design an air filter that is very free flowing while also being highly efficient at removing dirt from the air.


They have more info on things like Paper vs. Cotton (K&N) if you want to look at it http://www.knfilters.com/filter_facts.htm. I may have just added more fuel to the fire by bringing this up, but they claim their filters will flow more. I know most people are using the "seat of the pants" dyno to say they don't make any more noticeable power, but the flow bench tests show they do. K&N filters are most appealing to me mainly because they are a one time purchase (Have the same one in my Dad's 99 Power Stroke since 99) and if oiled and cleaned correctly they make for a good investment IMO. Not looking to start any feuds I am just giving my opinion and some correlating information.

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Typical marketing BS from K&N!!!!

Check out this "independent" air filter test:

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Let's make an assumption,lets say the K&N does flow more air! Now, since the OEM intake and air filter isn't the limiting factor for the amount of air being pulled by the engine, installing the K&N won't flow any more air! So, bottom line, you won't get any more performance or MPG with the K&N.

I find it interesting that they have changed the wording on the box for their air filter to "Designed to improve horsepower and acceleration". By
wording it this way, they don't claim you will get an increase in horsepower and acceleration, which you won't!!! Lawyers at work again......
 
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bob you should do some really really really close ups of the ellaments


Great suggestion!! Here ya go:

This tells the story of how the K&N "could" flow more air, with so little filter media area, and it also explains why a K&N doesn't filter well:

K&N filter media:

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Purolator OEM paper filter media:

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