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Is my AC condenser bad? Have radiator out so...


JoshT

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99 Ranger 4.0L

I am in process of replacing water pump, radiator, and thermostat. Basically a cooling system overhaul. While pulling the radiator this afternoon I found damage to front of AC condenser. Not very familiar with condenser construction so not sure if it needs to be replaced, if it can be patched/repaired in truck, or if it is even a problem. Picture is worth a thousand words so here goes:

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That open passage in the circle there. Is that going to be a big leak source. Not sure when it happened. but my AC system has been weak (needing recharge?) for years and I don't drive the truck much, so I didn't notice a change if it is leaking. Have been thinking about renting a vacuum pump and recharging the system, but no point if its just going to leak back out. If this needs replaced I want to do it now while the radiator is out, rather than having to tear it all apart again.

While I am asking questions that need to be answered fast. Will an Explorer 4.0L SOHC radiator shroud fit around the fan on a Ranger 4.0L OHV? I bought an exporer dual core radiator to replace my ranger's single core unit. I didn't think about the shround being shaped for the thinner radiator. I can cut the existing shroud to clear but I would prefer to pick up the SOHC shroud if it will fit, simply because it'll look better than. Yes I'm being pretty vain about a 14 year old 4x4 truck.
 
If it still has pressure it is just a tiny leak somewhere probably a compressor seal? While you have the radiator out comb the fins out straight it can be time consuming I just use a small flat tip screwdriver. Then spray it with soapy water a healthy squirt of dish soap in a spray bottle will do and just watch it close for bubbles. If it aint leaking it dont need to be fixed.
 
The picture tells me your A/C condenser coil will need replacing. 'Nuff said.
 
Josh, I wouldn't risk it, its damaged, you know that, it might not be leaking now, but its in a weakened state, I'd replace it. Junkyard has plenty of them for cheap. Gen2 explorers will bolt right in, both the condenser and rad. There are two different rads, a single core and a dual core (check out my sport Trac build, first post on my V8 swap for pics) both are the same size at the tanks, but the shrouds are different for each, which is also documented in my build. I'd go with the dual core and get the matching shroud, and a condenser...

SVT
 
Take a look at the cross member under the condenser coil its leaking pretty bad! Its time to remove and replace you cant fix that.
 
Looks like you cut clean through one of the tubes and there is probably nothing left in the system. Get a new condenser while your in there doing the rest of it.
 
Thanks guys will get another one. Thinking I can at least get a good used one for the cost of a repair. Think it may have happened this past weekend. Around the time the coolant temps started fluctuating I suddenly felt a change in vent discharge temps. Assumed it was due to running hot, but now I'm thinking condenser caught something off the interstate.

SVT are you sure about the explorer condenser? Parts house lists two different units. Explorer one appears to have different inlet and outlet locations, might also be larger. Are you sure that it will fit onto a 99 Ranger same as it did your sport track? As for radiator, have a brand new dual core sitting in the living room. Just wasn't sure about the shroud since mine us an OHV and Explorer is SOHC. Will call the junkyard later to see what I can find. Do I need to do anything with compressor oil or just vac and recharge the system?

87 XLT I should have mentioned that I took a coolant bath about 20 minuter prior to that pic. Rad petcock was plugged to had to pull lower hose. What you are seeing is coolant.
 
Starting in 98 when ford switched the suspension on the front, they followed the same setup in the explorer. The frame is slightly wider and is deeper to now allow the condenser to fit. The OHV and SOHC shrouds could be different, that I'm not sure of, but the inlet/outlet of both the rad and the condenser are the same for all four engine choices...

SVT
 
In that case I have a condenser from the 98 explorer I stripped out for the motor. It was a first gen so I used a 94 condenser. I'll pick a new one in case its damaged, save a trip back into town to get one. Hope full I'll be returning the new one Monday.

Hell I think the rad in the Explorer was fine as well. Maybe u can return the new radiator as well. It never occiured to.me that it may fit in the Ranger.
 
So Picked up a new condenser on the way home, so I didn't have to drive back into town if the Explorer one worked. Still not sure if the explorer one will work, but I may have wasted my time and money.

Obviously before I started taking the fittings loose on the condenser I wanted to check to verify that pressure was bled off the system. Well I bumped the schrader valve by the top of the condenser and there is definitely still a good charge on the system. Not sure why I didn't check that last night, but I didn't. I don't have a manifold set to tell if it's properly charged, but it shot off like a pressure test port on a fuel rail with pressure on the system. Dad has a set, but I know nothing about using it and it's 30 miles away right now. It seems to me that if there were that much pressure on the system and that was break in the system then I should hear and/or see leaking in it. Right now I'm almost thinking that's a dummy tube to support the bottom of the fins. Not that the radiator is out, I'm going to dig around a bit to see if I can tell.

So what do you think? Continue with replacement of condenser or drive it and watch it. If I go ahead and replace it what's a good way to discharge the rest of the system without making a huge mess. I don't want to just dump it, but can't drive the truck to a place that can evacuate it. I'm going to leave it as is until I hear from some folks.

Got pissed at the junkyard earlier while trying to get a fan shroud, but I'll post more on that later probably in a different thread. Only got a little daylight left so need to get busy. SVT thanks for straightening me out on the radiator and condensers. Haven't checked the condenser yet but the 5.0L radiator looks to be a drop in with the 4.0L motor, looks like the 5.0L fan shroud will even work. The explorer's rad is flowing good and didn't spot any leaks. I think you just saved me almost 300 bucks (fan and condenser).

One other question when I pulled the trans lines loose from the radiator should I have lost a little fluid? I didn't, and when I checked the trans fluid it looked pink. Isn't is supposed to be red? I think my trans cooler in radiator was busted. Hopefully recently so, since I the trans was rebuild after 160K miles I'm almost at 175K now. I haven't noticed anything weird with the transmission. What do I do with the trans? Just drain all the fluid replace with fresh and have it flushed ASAP?

Shit this job is exploding quickly...
 
Original crisis averted! Upon further inspection it is a dummy flue that got damaged, so looks like I was making a big deal over nothing. Will be returning that condenser while at work on Monday so that $130 back in my pocket. Hopefully it'll go the same for the radiator. I will cap off that explorer condenser and stick it on a shelf though. No point in getting rid of a perfectly good spare part, especially when it'll cost that much to replace.

Hopefully the transmission fluid will be similar situation. Talked to dad and he suggested that with as few miles as are on the rebuild, and not having any drive ability issues I may be safe with draining all the fluid and refilling. Keep an eye on it and if it looks thinned again repeat. I'll make another thread on this in the regular forums later in the weekend. EDIT: Strike that looks like this thread is going to keep going, but it's not urgent now. So if a Mod would like to please move this over to a different forum.

Thanks everyone for the help, as far as I am concerned this urgent situation is over!
 
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Do a complete change of tranny oil no need to flush it. Pull the plate for the front of the bell housing and see if the torque converter has a drain plug also. Disconnect the oil lines for the tranny cooler at the transmission and connect them to the radiator. Run a cooler line flush through it good and then blow them out good. You can then do a prressure test for the tranny cooler by filling the radiator with water and then pressurize the cooler lines with air if there is a leak it will bubble out the radiator cap. If it holds pressure run some good tranny oil through the cooler lines to get the flush out and then connect them to the tranny. Put in a new filter and OEM spec oil. Since the A/C hase a good charge give her a go maybe the nozzle and filter needs cleaned you will be able to tell if you hook up the guage set and watch the pressures while it is running. There is no way to check the charge using system pressure. Either add a factory charge by weight or measure temps inside the cab "delta T" you want at least 20 degrees difference in the air going into the evaporator as the air coming out. If the cab temp is 80 degrees you want 60 degrees coming out the vents or less after it has run about ten minutes.
 
Good to hear on the condenser. On the tranny, drop the pan, do a filter and fluid change (that should have been done 500-1000 miles after rebuild from break-in. Pressure check the tranny cooler in the rad. They're not notorious for leaking, but it can happen. Make sure you flush the tranny lines with air...

SVT
 
Josh, you gonna be ready for Ranger Roundup 2014? You missed an awesome event, everyone had a blast...

SVT
 
Transmission A/C further down page.

Do a complete change of tranny oil no need to flush it. Pull the plate for the front of the bell housing and see if the torque converter has a drain plug also. Disconnect the oil lines for the tranny cooler at the transmission and connect them to the radiator. Run a cooler line flush through it good and then blow them out good. You can then do a prressure test for the tranny cooler by filling the radiator with water and then pressurize the cooler lines with air if there is a leak it will bubble out the radiator cap. If it holds pressure run some good tranny oil through the cooler lines to get the flush out and then connect them to the tranny. Put in a new filter and OEM spec oil.

That's the plan, though I'm not sure how to drain the torque converter cause from everything I read my trans doesn't have a drain plug for it. I did find the following instructions on another forum using Google. Sounds like it would work, but not sure if out lines are routed the same. I suppose that it's easy enough to connect a hose to both tubes connected to the radiator.

The DIY method is:

1.Drain you tranny pan (hopefully you have a drain plug, otherwise drop the pan and the whole nine yards that goes with that - might as well change your filter and gasket then).

2. Re-install pan (or drain plug), fill tranny to correct level of fluid without starting your vehicle.

3. Disconnect your tranny out line (usually the uppermost tranny line that goes to the rad). I disconnect it right at the radiator.

4. Attach a 5/16 inside diameter clear hose (about 6ft or so long) to the line you disconnected from the rad.

5. Run free end of the hose to a jug to catch any outgoing ATF.

6. Start your vehicle, put tranny in gear. You will start to see trany fluid flow through the clear hose into the jug now. Let a few quarts go in. Stop engine. Top up your trans.

7. Start engine, put tranny in gear, watch fluid in hose come out. When fluid comes out bright red, you are now pumped out most of your old fluid out of the torque convertor. Shut off and refill trans to correct fluid level.

This is the backyard tranny flush method and should get most of the old ATF out of your trans. I've done it several times, no problems. I usually pick up a 30 big pail of trans fluid at Walmart for $35 CN. Valvoline currently makes the Walmart Tech2000 auto fluids.
Hope this helps.

What ya'll think about that procedure? My haynes manual specifies 3 quarts for drain and fill and 5-6 more for torque converter. I'll pick up about 15 quarts of Mercon V and filter kit. Follow instructions above, except add three quarts after installing pan, remove three quarts, and repeat until good fluid coming out of hose. Should only need about 9 quarts, but the 4R70W takes the same fluid so I'll need it eventually.

As for leak checking the radiator. I pulled it from the Explorer with the transmission still connected. That fluid was well used but definitely not contaminated with water. Unfortunately I don't have an air compressor at the moment so I literally cannot do a pressure check.

Good to hear on the condenser. On the tranny, drop the pan, do a filter and fluid change (that should have been done 500-1000 miles after rebuild from break-in. Pressure check the tranny cooler in the rad. They're not notorious for leaking, but it can happen. Make sure you flush the tranny lines with air...

SVT

Interesting... The place that did the rebuild is supposed to be the oldest, best, most reliable trans shop in the area. When I picked up the truck I asked about break-in and they said "just drive it". What you say makes me question their "best" status. Wander what I might find when I drop the pan. Hopefully all is good, it has worked like a champ since I got it back from them. As mentioned I ain't got an air compressor at current and none of the local stores rent them. I'll see what I can find, but I really do trust this radiator.

The A/C system

Since the A/C hase a good charge give her a go maybe the nozzle and filter needs cleaned you will be able to tell if you hook up the guage set and watch the pressures while it is running. There is no way to check the charge using system pressure. Either add a factory charge by weight or measure temps inside the cab "delta T" you want at least 20 degrees difference in the air going into the evaporator as the air coming out. If the cab temp is 80 degrees you want 60 degrees coming out the vents or less after it has run about ten minutes.

Knowing that the condenser is good I'm now thinking that the computer was shutting off the compressor to lessen load attempting to keep heat down. Not sure if computer is capable of that, but it makes sense to me. Weak AC is the low man on the totem pole. Once I have everything else sorted, I'll have the system evacuated and see about installing a new orifice valve and maybe an accumulator. Several years ago I purchased a Probe with a bad compressor, black death bad so everything actually got replaced. I went with a severe temp variable orifice valve and dad charged it with "Arctic Freeze Ultra Synthetic R-134a" (my idea) from the parts house. That car would put 50 degrees at the vent on a 90 degree day. It was nice, especially since I work outside (somewhat shaded fortunately) during Georgia's triple digit summers. Then the transmission dies and I deemed the car not worth the money to fix. I intend to give the same treatment to this truck and eventually to the 86 I'm building hoping for the same result.

Josh, you gonna be ready for Ranger Roundup 2014? You missed an awesome event, everyone had a blast...

SVT

Don't even know when it is, really at this point it's too early to tell. If I have this truck running reliably enough, or the other truck finished and running reliably I may try. It really depends on work, and I won't know my pre-approved vacations days until February.It'd be a lot easier for me to attend if it were to happen at one of the FFW events closer to GA. I know that you can't plan for one person though, got to plan for everybody where you can get the broadest turn out.
 

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