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I need some ttb schooling....


Red beast

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Im a newb to ttb setups. My truck is a 4x4 95. I have heard equal unequal radius arm drop brackets cut and turn. I have no idea what any of this stuff means. I know alot about solid front axles but nothing about the ttb setup. Ive been into the jeep world the past 5 years. I would like to lift my truck a couple inches and give it a desert look and ride. I know its a 4x4 but im not into rock humping. I dont want to do some some shitty budget spacer, drop brackets or rear lift blocks. I want to do everything right the first time. I learned what not to do while build my xj. Cherokee. What is the best way to get lift, and decent travel out of my truck? I have glanced at the tech library but didnt see what i was looking for.
 
If your into cherokees and know about them pretty good then i would say a dana 30 solid axle. It solves every problem that the dana 35 has and im sure it would be easy
 
There are problems that the Dana 35 has? Ones that aren't present on the weaker, smaller Dana-30?

Do tell.
 
Constant alignments, close small wheel bearings, an extra ujoint to replace. The need for a custom steering setup or a $200 pitman arm.
 
Constant alignments, close small wheel bearings, an extra ujoint to replace. The need for a custom steering setup or a $200 pitman arm.

Strange, I have exactly 0 issues with that on mine (looks like someone else here might need some TTB schooling too).
I do have a custom steering setup... however anyone who thinks a Jeep's stock steering can't also benefit from an upgrade has even more to learn.
Adjustable/serviceable wheel bearings > cartridge bearings any day of the week.





To the OP, the Tech Library does have a lot of the info you're looking for, though I would say some of the terms you inquired about tend to be most prominent in the desert-racing scene (we do have a Prerunners section here, though as a whole we tend toward a nationwide audience, which leads to more focus on crawling and trail riding modifications (and a little bit of mudding), not just stuff for going fast).


But to brief you on the terms you mentioned:

"Unequal/Equal length" refers to that of the axle beams themselves (length from the pivot point to the wheel).
There's a common misconception that equal length = better, however there is a valid reason for them to not be equal length (and making them equal length is often counterproductive if there are radius arms present).
This diagram shows why they should be unequal-length if the suspension's camber curves are to be symmetrical (the suspension's pivot axes run diagonally, not longitudinally).

"Drop brackets" are just that, new axle brackets that lower the axle & suspension down to provide you a base for your lift.
Some brackets out there tend to be weaker than the stock brackets because of added leverage, though there are also others that are far sturdier than OE brackets because they also widen their mounting footprints which more than offsets their leverage.

"Cut & Turn" is a term commonly used to describe modification of the beams themselves for lift (in lieu of drop brackets). Benefit is better clearance (you're less likely to strike something while jumping/landing), though they do have a downside of increased lateral jacking if you're on an off-camber climb or sidehill, along with increased strain on the center u-joint & slip-shaft.

No doubt there are places for both TTB drop brackets and modified beams. Typically if you're looking for go-fast performance (prerunner), modified beams are the way to go for their better clearance (modified beams are usually better in deep mud also). Anything else (casual trail riding, crawling, etc.) is usually better-served with drop brackets due to the better stability they afford.
Skyjacker and James Duff are the go-to drop bracket kits.
For a beam lift, Autofab seems to be king from what I've seen.


Hope that helps to get you started. Let us know if you have any more questions. :icon_thumby:
 
... We need a terminology/ acronym/ abbreviation section in the tech pages.

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my coworker upgraded his lifted cherokees steering to chevy 1 ton setup becuase he said bumpsteer was bad. So even Jeeps lifted do need steering upgrades as well
 
As silly as it sounds, and how low budget I built my truck it works well all around.

I have 6" drop brackets along with 1" of washers welded together under the 6" coils up front (no idea on brand, they're red... got everything but the shocks used...), got the $200 pitman arm (an investment, a Ranger won't break it, and it'll fit on a super duty :)) and it handles very well. The steering angles aren't perfect, but the beams aren't flat like they're supposed to be either so the steering actually follows the angle of the beams so it works out very well.

On the alignment issue, once you wrap your mind around the steering geometry of this suspension even if it does get tweaked from rough driving you can fix it with a calibrated eyeball and a tape measure. 2.5 years ago I swapped in the lift and axles into my truck, set the toe to about 1/16" toed in between the front and rear of the wheel on the inside after getting the camber close with my calibrated eyeballs, set the caster as far back as I could with the 4* bushings (I'm just running the 3" radius arm drop brackets right now, not optimal). I've rolled and jumped my truck and haven't had to do anything more than minor tweaks to the toe every now and then and it tracks pretty dang good down the road with very good manners, and even tire wear...

Whenever I'm running around higher speed trails or dunes with my friends that have solid axle Jeeps and Yotas, they always say my front axle looks broken, but they can have a hard time keeping up with me...
 
I like the ttb stuff. Im into the long travel setups and like the desert go fast widened look. I have seen very nice ttb setups that perform amazingly. I have my cherokee for rock humping and trails. Alot of jeepspeed guys are fabbing ttb setups on their xjs and comanches lately. Its kinda ass backwards to see ranger guys swapping d30 and xj guys going ttb or tib. And just to clarify the fist thing we do in the jeep world is get rid of the d35 rear axle and usually the d30 is right behind it. Its tiny tubes are small. Outers are weak etc. It takes more money to build one up than to swap in a better axle. I have a hp30 with cro axles, yukon gears, locker, and will soon be sleeveing and trussing it. And i still wont fully trust it.


My idea is that i only want a 3 inch lift or so. I only want to run 31 inch tires but want the softer wider stance and ride. The previous owner put a leveling spacer in and the tops of the coils are completely smushed. I cant fit a screwdriver between them. It rides stiff as **** and has no travel what so ever. My truck looks like a pryed the 31s in the wheel wells. I dont want drop brackets. Can i buy 3 inch coils, build longer radius arms, and get degree shims to adjust the camber? Will that work or is that a stupid idea. It is my daily driver and commuter but i dont want my truck to look like a stocker with 31 squeezed under it. Can you guys please point me in the right direction. I would rather learn and do things the right way one time. I learned the hard way with my jeep. Lots of money wasted on bullshit setups trying to save a penny and i ended up spending double in the end. Thank you guys for the help tou have given me already.
 
my coworker upgraded his lifted cherokees steering to chevy 1 ton setup becuase he said bumpsteer was bad. So even Jeeps lifted do need steering upgrades as well

Yes cherokee xj stock steering brings the suck. There are lots of upgrades and tricks to make the the solid axle setup perform nicely. I cant even list them all.
 
My idea is that i only want a 3 inch lift or so. I only want to run 31 inch tires but want the softer wider stance and ride. The previous owner put a leveling spacer in and the tops of the coils are completely smushed. I cant fit a screwdriver between them. It rides stiff as **** and has no travel what so ever. My truck looks like a pryed the 31s in the wheel wells. I dont want drop brackets. Can i buy 3 inch coils, build longer radius arms, and get degree shims to adjust the camber? Will that work or is that a stupid idea. It is my daily driver and commuter but i dont want my truck to look like a stocker with 31 squeezed under it. Can you guys please point me in the right direction. I would rather learn and do things the right way one time. I learned the hard way with my jeep. Lots of money wasted on bullshit setups trying to save a penny and i ended up spending double in the end. Thank you guys for the help tou have given me already.

2" lift over stock is about the max you can get before you need either drop brackets or modified axle beams. A 2" lift on a '95 4x4 w/31s should look pretty well-proportioned though. However it sounds like you want to take it a few steps beyond that...

My suggestion would be to look at Autofab's offerings, along with Camburg maybe. Both specialize in go-fast parts for TTBs (Autofab I recall has a kit to put the wider D44 TTB from a fullsize under a Ranger which I think is a better idea vs. all the custom work needed to widen the D35 TTB). Then you can use either wheel spacers to match your rear lug pattern to the D44, or you could instead use a fullsize 8.8" or 9".

http://www.autofab.com/
http://www.camburg.com/



I'll throw in a suggestion to the higher-ups about a terminology page. That does sound like a good idea for sure.:icon_thumby:
 
Thanks brother. I thought 3 inch might be pushing limits. Do 4x4's come stock with a spacer under the coil. Mine has one but it looks factory. Though it is hard to tell if its a spacer or a retainer. Mine does have the stock block in the rear with the side dildo bumpstop pad. The front is still just a tad lower than the rear. Will a 2 inch coil get me up a little higher or will i simply just be adding a better coil with no lift? This is assuming i have a spacer. I dont want to go full on lifted just a little taller. It is my daily and i want to keep this truck clean. It is in near perfect condition for its age but it has a few hiccups. However i wouldnt mind getting another ranger and playing with it. But this one is first. Fixing the rear is easy. relocate the hanger to improve the angle and run a longer shackle.
 

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