I fought all day and lost . . .

[PetesPonies]

here's where I get pissed . . I didnt post here asking for anyone to analyze my combo. That never came from me, but boy did I get a lot of opinions. I posted to vent about the difficulty I was having getting the engine bolted to the crossmember. Thats it . . I'm fine with what I'm doing as far as combo goes.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

I wouldn't even consider a 164t bell combo . too large IMO. I guess it could work, but it really offers clearance issues. I would suggest a 157t or the smaller Mustang II variation. I ended up going with a 157t because I had access to one. There are no issues with a 157t bell.

The C4/5 isn't the only transmission option, people use AOD's and various manuals all the time and get along fine with the 164t bellhousing.

 

[Psychopete]

people use AOD's

Yup, only thing that makes an AOD difficult is the radius arm cross member. Once an AOD bell is past that point, there is enough room (or install attached to engine if you have the means to do it that way). Just need to hammer in the lip on the firewall, but I think that's standard for most swaps. My Ranger isn't body lifted either, mostly stock in that aspect (but lowering soon).

 

[PetesPonies]

OK I even have considered an AOD to gain the OD I would like to have. But you need the proper trans to work with the 164t bell, so my C5 wouldn't work with that. Therefore, a stock C5 is going to be 157 or less (Mustang II ).

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

OK I even have considered an AOD to gain the OD I would like to have. But you need the proper trans to work with the 164t bell, so my C5 wouldn't work with that. Therefore, a stock C5 is going to be 157 or less (Mustang II ).

All AOD's had the bellhousing (SBF was 164t) made into the trans, so if you have a trans you have a bellhousing and there is nothing you can do to switch them.

C5's can be switched around but my understanding at the the time I was doing mine was that all V8 C5's had the extra deep 164t bellhousing. The one on my C5 is a factory C5 bellhousing.

C5's were made between 82 and 86 so they were never in a Mustang II. C4 bells interchange but isn't "stock C5"

I always wondered if Ford prefered to have larger converter on them or else they all would have been the 157t instead of just the smaller cars... which is partially why I wasn't too bothered to seek one out.

I don't know what you are doing for a truck, but my 4x4 with a 3" bodylift fits the 164t very nice. I venture to guess that it will be as easy... if not easier to pull than the A4LD was with the truck at stock height.

From this side of the swap I will tell you that OD would be really nice though...

 

[NMB2]

I bought everything for a C4, a TCI converter 157t flexplate and new TCI billet bellhousing, it fit great.

all C4/C5 bells will interchange except for the bigger bell pattern. You must match the bellhousing to the torque converter by measuring depth.

 

[PetesPonies]

Come on guys . . please read carefully so the facts are correct and we don't just spin our wheels. I know an AOD had a built in bellhousing, where did I say it didn't or imply such?? I didn't. Where did I say a Mustang II had a C5?? I didn't nor did I imply that. However, a Mustang II did have a C4 . . and a c4 and c5 share most things, bellhousings being one of them. As long as the bell is a 157t or the smaller Mustang II version it fits the C5. The 164t is from/for a big car or a full size truck. They have a different casing, thus you can't use the bellhousing on the smaller style C4 or C5 trans. I feel we are spinning our wheels here on "nothing" I feel if you guys read better and comprehend better, we won't go over the same thing over and over. I'm a man of details, from teaching and from my own personality. I can't stand inaccurate facts, thus I need to make sure it is understood correctly. But god, from the years of teaching I know how mistruths get started and I'm not going to let it happen if I can help it Can we move on???

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

OK I even have considered an AOD to gain the OD I would like to have. But you need the proper trans to work with the 164t bell so my C5 wouldn't work with that.

This confused me. The only sense I got out of that is you didn't know what you are doing. The "but" tied the 164t bell to the AOD and the C5 came in from nowhere. It should have been seperate paragraphs apparently teach'

Therefore, a stock C5 is going to be 157 or less (Mustang II ).

This confused me as well, all I got out of that was you were chasing a unicorn of a bellhousing out of a Mustang II.

I haven't found anywhere or anything besides you saying that you can't swap bells at will, every swap article out there says you can. No mention at all of what interchanges with what just to do it.

http://www.jamesduff.com/broncoii/v8conversion.html

http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_library/V8Conversions.html

http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_library/AAInstructions.html

And going the other way:

http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_library/InterchangingTansmissions.html

 

[5.0]

trying to line up a dummy bare block with trans. I drilled a hole/slot in the crossmember on the passenger side only. I'm trying to line up the trans and then mark where the drivers side hole /slot should be placed. I cannot get the trans mated with the block. I can't hold the block up the slot on the passenger side to get the engine close to bolting on to the trans. Its a bastard, a hard one man job . . F %*K !!!!

here's where I get pissed . . I didnt post here asking for anyone to analyze my combo. That never came from me, but boy did I get a lot of opinions. I posted to vent about the difficulty I was having getting the engine bolted to the crossmember. Thats it . . I'm fine with what I'm doing as far as combo goes.

Not only do you dislike people criticizing your combo, you are also less than fond of them suggesting easier ways to install the engine that was difficult for you to do. I mean really... you have the transmission in place where you want it, then you drill a hole in the crossmember, then try to connect the two together? Is it really a mystery why they didn't line up very well? Why not connect them first, then mark the crossmember for drilling? Also, you are the first post I've ever read on here complaining of difficulty installing a 302... and you are also the only one to attempt the install as you described... hmmm.

Well guys, you just know too much for little ole me . . .shame on me .

Wrong, we are far from knowing too much. You simply don't know nearly as much as you think you do.

Another cool fact: No matter how many centuries of experience you have wrenching on engines, I still know more than you do about a V8 ranger swap, and have far more experience And compared to others on this forum, I've got very little experience or knowledge of a V8 Ranger swap, so where's that put you?

I've dropped a few small blocks in with an AOD attached, even without hammering the trans tunnel lip, and never had any problems or took much over 20 minutes to drop into the engine bay. I've also managed to get a 460 in there without cutting the core support. That's why people on here tried to help you when you were "griping" and "venting" about the difficulties you were having, since no part of this swap is actually difficult.

And I'm really diggin your "I'm old, I know everything" attitude lol


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[5.0]

This confused me. The only sense I got out of that is you didn't know what you are doing. The "but" tied the 164t bell to the AOD and the C5 came in from nowhere. It should have been seperate paragraphs apparently teach'



This confused me as well, all I got out of that was you were chasing a unicorn of a bellhousing out of a Mustang II.

I thought the exact same thing that he was saying about the AOD and the Mustang II bell... but hey, me and you are just dumbass's, right?

Funny Pony Pete, isn't it, that two people can both identically misinterpret what you say? You say we need to read better, but perhaps you need to convey your thoughts better and more clearly?


[Dr. Evil voice] You just don't get it, do you? You don't... [/Dr. Evil voice]


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[baddad457]

I thought the exact same thing that he was saying about the AOD and the Mustang II bell... but hey, me and you are just dumbass's, right?

Funny Pony Pete, isn't it, that two people can both identically misinterpret what you say? You say we need to read better, but perhaps you need to convey your thoughts better and more clearly?


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Better make that THREE people. He may be experienced in wrenching, but grammar(I might have gotten the wrong term here, I'm not perfect) isn't his strong suit. Neither is accepting constructive criticizism for what it is.

 

[baddad457]

I feel if you guys read better and comprehend better, we won't go over the same thing over and over. I'm a man of details, from teaching and from my own personality. I can't stand inaccurate facts, thus I need to make sure it is understood correctly.

Then you need to start "proof reading" what you post. And learn to accept constructive criticism for what it is. Most guy come here for help and to learn, the ones who come here and start with an attitude that they already know it all don't around stay long. Sometimes you've got to learn to laugh at yourself and your misadventures

 

[PetesPonies]

BITE ME you guys. Kids, I mean you are tough to take. All you want to do is is make critism and not answer the question at hand. Oh . . wait, I never asked a question. Everyone knows what this symbol is "?" . . right? I never used one did I?. I never asked for any help per se, was just venting. But not only do you kids want to advice, but you can't understand what is said and you want to be critical. people don't need that. This Mensa member is done, I'm out kiddies. Have fun.

 

[Teddyzee]

Who wants to say it?

 

[5.0]

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C-ya, Pony Pete... don't let the door smack ya in the ass on the way out!

I'm really gonna miss him and tri-polar posting attitude.

I wonder what he was looking for when he created this thread? He has made it abundantly clear that he knows everything, so he certainly didn't post this to learn anything. He asked no question, and expected no answer. He wishes not to receive advice or constructive criticism. Was he looking to form a fan club to celebrate his inability to install an engine in less than a day? A bare block whooped his old, experienced ass!

Yes Pete, I'm being very disrespectful towards you. Do you know why? Because I treat people exactly how they treat others.



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