How do you like your 5g?

[adsm08]

0 minutes later I could hear him in the yard pu

Looks like they've got one that comes in a pressurized can.

Is this part of the official service schedule, or did people just figure out that it works?
Does it make a hideous cloud of smoke, like Seafoam does when you pour it in the intake?

There is no official service schedule that I am aware of, but I would have it done at least once a year if I owned anything with a direct injected engine.

A few years back, when these things were new, a guy I worked with managed to bend some valves on a 1.6L, and we got to pull the head apart at about 16K miles. The intake valves looked like little Christmas trees there was so much carbon.

And yes, if done just so it can cause a big cloud. I usually run the stuff through and leave the engine run for another 10 minutes, which minimizes the crop-dusting.

It's being sprayed in before the turbo. It's going from the manifold to the valves. Crap could come out of the exhaust through the turbo but its being vaporized in the combustion chamber.

Unless your engine is HORRIBLE I wouldn't worry. Again, im sure @adsm08 knows more about how it's done.

If you've got huge chunks of carbon coming out that could damage the turbo, you probably neglected service for quite some time.

And that's why I said before, have the dealer do it... they break it they bought it. I'm confident decarbonizing my 09 2.3 myself but why risk it on an engine under warranty? You can hrdyolock or destroy things. I seafoam but I'm very careful about it. Slow and steady, let it hot soak, then go.smoke up the town.

It should dissolve the carbon, and not be knocking it off in chunks. The carbon should be burning in the cylinder, not making it through in large chunks.

The carbon should not be hard enough to do actual damage to the turbo.

It could theoretically do some damage, if it had been left go long enough, but if done right and not neglected for long periods of time, no it should not be damaging the turbo.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

There is no official service schedule that I am aware of, but I would have it done at least once a year if I owned anything with a direct injected engine.

A few years back, when these things were new, a guy I worked with managed to bend some valves on a 1.6L, and we got to pull the head apart at about 16K miles. The intake valves looked like little Christmas trees there was so much carbon.

And yes, if done just so it can cause a big cloud. I usually run the stuff through and leave the engine run for another 10 minutes, which minimizes the crop-dusting.



It should dissolve the carbon, and not be knocking it off in chunks. The carbon should be burning in the cylinder, not making it through in large chunks.

The carbon should not be hard enough to do actual damage to the turbo.

It could theoretically do some damage, if it had been left go long enough, but if done right and not neglected for long periods of time, no it should not be damaging the turbo.

Well ya aint sellin me on the 2.3...

 

[MikeG]

So, from what I'm reading.... various sources.... the carbon build-up on the intake valves come from engine oil, via the PCV system.

Then if that is correct, a DI engine would practically scream out for synthetic oil, and/or a 'catch/can' on the PVC system.

right?

 

[adsm08]

So, from what I'm reading.... various sources.... the carbon build-up on the intake valves come from engine oil, via the PCV system.

Then if that is correct, a DI engine would practically scream out for synthetic oil, and/or a 'catch/can' on the PVC system.

right?

It's not the only source, but yes, those will help.

The other source is evaporating fuel. When the engine shuts off it is generally probable that at least once cylinder stops with the intake valve open, after the injector fires.

 

[sgtsandman]

I apologize in advance if this is a stupid question...

Have you done this on a 2.3 Ecoboost in a Ranger? Only reason I'm asking is I seem to recall that this is a no-no because it can flush carbon chunks through the turbo?

Or perhaps this a non Ford authorized procedure?

Thanks.

With as new as the Ranger is, I doubt it but the engine itself has been around longer in other vehicles. @adsm08 has probably done the work on other vehicles with the 2.3 Ecoboost. The Mustang and the Explorer come to mind but I think there is another model or two that had/has that engine.

 

[adsm08]

With as new as the Ranger is, I doubt it but the engine itself has been around longer in other vehicles. @adsm08 has probably done the work on other vehicles with the 2.3 Ecoboost. The Mustang and the Explorer come to mind but I think there is another model or two that had/has that engine.

Not really. Like you said, the Mustang and Explorer have that engine. So does the Focus ST. The 2.0 in the Escapes, Fusions, and Edges is basically the same thing. We don't do a lot of work on them. The turbo used is significantly similar to the one on the 1.5/1.6L as well.

We've done these services on all those engines, I have yet to see a turbo fail from it.

 

[MikeG]

What's the highest mileage you've seen on a 2.3 turbo engine?

 

[Blmpkn]

I have a crankshaft out of a Chrysler straight 8 and a suggestion as to where you can store it.

If it doesn't fit can I still keep it? Lol. Wanna make a mailbox post out of it.

I'll be fair and edit my original statement to "GENERALLY dealers are scumbags" lol. You/yours may not be, but let's be real.. theyve certainly earned the nickname "stealership"

 

[Blmpkn]

Well ya aint sellin me on the 2.3...

Every motor is bound to be like the new 2.3 eventually, thanks to ever tightening emission regulations. Moving forward, one step backward at a time lol.

 

[Dirtman]

The 2.3 ecoboost has been around for about 25 years now. It just got the the turbo and direct injection in the past 5 though.

 

[MikeG]

I'm poking around on the Ford web site, and looking at Broncos with a 1.5 L engine. WTF????? That just doesn't seem like it should possibly work. And no manual trans that I can find for the 2021s. Huh.

Maybe they don't have all the configs on the site.. but jeez, a 1.5L engine? And the 'big' engine is the 2.0???????

 

[adsm08]

If it doesn't fit can I still keep it? Lol. Wanna make a mailbox post out of it.

I'll be fair and edit my original statement to "GENERALLY dealers are scumbags" lol. You/yours may not be, but let's be real.. theyve certainly earned the nickname "stealership"

15 years in four dealerships. I have worked with one crooked individual, and as soon as he was caught he was fired. So no, I do not accept that "generally dealers are scumbags" nor "they've certainly earned the nickname 'stealership'".

You and your ilk perpetuate a biased story against an entire group based off a handful of bad experiences with what is likely even fewer businesses. And I will bet that not a single one of you people understand the position the dealerships are actually in when it comes to warranty. Especially right now with Ford having had one of the worst years in the company's history.

Most dealerships are small businesses. We aren't part of some national conglomerate, we are individual businesses that pay a franchise fee to Ford to be allowed to use their name and do their bitch work for them. We get put in impossible positions trying to fulfill all the warranty criteria and obligations, and if we miss a single small step and can't convince Ford it was a clerical error, not only can we get charged back for all the time and money and parts put into the job, we can open ourselves us for audits, and get charged back for other things, even if they just find that the paper work wasn't in order.

Here's a fun story, a true story, of one I just got done dealing with. Customer brought in a 17 Explorer, said it was leaking oil. I found oil all over the rear turbo. I cleaned it, put dye in it, had it driven over night and rechecked it, only place there was oil or dye was on the turbo. I said "Great, needs a turbo," and put one in it, following the book to the letter. We finish it, $1800 in parts, another $600 in labor, submit it to Ford. They came back and said "We aren't paying for that, it didn't need a turbo, the oil leak was somewhere else." So I sent them the pictures I took before hand, which is NOT a warranty requirement BTW, and said "Ok, show me where the leak was". They replied and said "OK, it needed a turbo, we still aren't paying because you did it wrong".

Ford issues lists of "one time use parts" that have to be replaced as part of bigger jobs. Don't put all the parts on, Ford won't pay, put on more parts than they say you are allowed, they won't pay. If you go by the shop manual instructions for replacing the RH turbo on a 17 Explorer 3.5L EB you are instructed to replace the turbo oil filter. If you look at the OTUP list however, you are not allowed a filter when replacing the right hand turbo. So I put it in, because the book said we had to, and the parts department didn't bill it because the parts list said we weren't allowed to. Ford said "Well you didn't bill that $0.50 part, we aren't paying that claim, unless you can prove you put one it.

Now we did eventually win that one and got the whole job paid, but if we hadn't that would have been over $2000 out of our shop's pocket, and that I could well have been charged back for, because Ford plays games, Ford won't proof-read all their publications to make sure they match, and Ford won't look at their own stuff and say "Oh yeah, I guess we made a mistake". We deal with a situation like this about once a month on warranty. And then I get to get painted with a broad brush as a thief and a crook, right along with the few actual crooked guys out there.


So I guess what I am trying to say is, if you really want to keep up your moronic and hateful rhetoric, I have a Chrysler straight-8 crankshaft in my garage, and you can stick it where the sun don't shine, if it fits or not.

 

[adsm08]

I'm poking around on the Ford web site, and looking at Broncos with a 1.5 L engine. WTF????? That just doesn't seem like it should possibly work. And no manual trans that I can find for the 2021s. Huh.

Maybe they don't have all the configs on the site.. but jeez, a 1.5L engine? And the 'big' engine is the 2.0???????

That 1.5L is a 3-cylinder too.

 

[MikeG]

That 1.5L is a 3-cylinder too.

Holy crap. Less torque than my 97 4.0 OHV as well, in what appears to be a slightly heavier vehicle .... that thing is going to have to stay wound up all the time! No wonder the tow rating isn't much.....

And I've been thinking that the 2.3 in the Ranger was too small!

The times we live in......

I'll say this as far a dealer warranty service.... I've had several vehicles that had one issue or another, different makes, and NO problems whatsoever. So around here they seem to be pretty good.

 

[adsm08]

Holy crap. Less torque than my 97 4.0 OHV as well, in what appears to be a slightly heavier vehicle .... that thing is going to have to stay wound up all the time!

I drove a 202 Escape a few weeks ago with that tiny abomination in it. There is a spot where I was able to get it just cruising, no boost, up a small hill. It was HORRIBLE. It couldn't hold 35 MPH.

I actually briefly considered filling out the vehicle concern form for the new car inspections, manually editing the engine to a 3.0 twin turbo V6, and then putting the concern in as "You guys shipped it with only half the engine."