Header help

[5.0]

Really ? Who did that ? No one that I recall did.

Clicky ---> http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showpost.php?p=854687&postcount=31


And this one... the pic is from an angle and the header appears to be over the frame. If the pic was taken from directly overhead, the header would really be over the frame. I'd say he'd have to chop some frame if his motor sat lower ---> http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showpost.php?p=526916&postcount=23


And this hackjob... he used patriots, which he claims are nearly identical to the 88400's, and from the pics they don't appear to stick out any farther from the head than the 88400's do. If the headers in the 2nd link I posted sat lower like wades do, he would have to chop his frame too ---> http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showpost.php?p=336348&postcount=13


So anyway, the 88400's sure look to hang out over the frame pretty far... and they would even more with a 351W.

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[hoosier1104]

If your going to do this, do it right at least. Save up your money and get a set of Torque Monster headers. They are $687 shipped to your door. I am paying for mine later on today. I am putting in a 302 out of a 96 Expo. Another good person to ask is Mac. He knows his shyt.

 

[baddad457]

Clicky ---> http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showpost.php?p=854687&postcount=31


And this one... the pic is from an angle and the header appears to be over the frame. If the pic was taken from directly overhead, the header would really be over the frame. I'd say he'd have to chop some frame if his motor sat lower ---> http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showpost.php?p=526916&postcount=23


And this hackjob... he used patriots, which he claims are nearly identical to the 88400's, and from the pics they don't appear to stick out any farther from the head than the 88400's do. If the headers in the 2nd link I posted sat lower like wades do, he would have to chop his frame too ---> http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showpost.php?p=336348&postcount=13


So anyway, the 88400's sure look to hang out over the frame pretty far... and they would even more with a 351W.

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The first you listed ? He's the one and only then. And he could have possibly done without the notch by moving the motor. As for Wade being a "hack job" ? That's BS. He didn't use 88400's and never claimed to do so. He also, to his credit, stepped up to the plate to try something different, something I've yet to see you do so here. All I've seen so far is lip service on what others have actually done.

 

[5.0]

The first you listed ? He's the one and only then. And post 14 of this very thread. As the other pics in the second link show, the 88400's hang out pretty far over the frame... how do you think they'd work with a 351W in there?And he could have possibly done without the notch by moving the motor. As for Wade being a "hack job" Yes, any swap that requires removing a 1" x 12" section of frame is a hack job!? That's BS. He didn't use 88400's and never claimed to do so I never said he did. In fact, reread what I typed and you can clearly see where I said he used patriot headers. I also referenced wade claiming them to be nearly identical, as if they copied each other (as posted on rps... I can get the link if you need me too) So he claims a nearly identical header had to take an inch out of his frame. "Nearly identical" to me would mean the 88400's would have been in the frame also. He also, to his credit, stepped up to the plate to try something different, something I've yet to see you do so here. There is not much left to try different, but I am good enough to make something work that you haven't been able to do... and that's use the 89500's without a problem. All I've seen so far is lip service on what others have actually done.

I kind of forgot what kind of jerks you and wade were to me back when I was going to try the 89500's. I was able to make them work just fine! Never once have they hit the i-beam, and that's even with saggy springs up front. Lol, I'm glad I didn't listen to you guys ---> http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58784




And from another thread...

Nope, it still won't work out. Everyone that's tried the 89500's came to the same conclusion and several have tried shortening the collectors to try and cure it. None worked to anyone's satisfaction that I recall Now you can recall one guy that is completely happy with the 89500's since they worked so well . And I've been hanging out here since I did mine 8 years ago. Several of us tried to get Hedman to swap the Ranger headers to the 88400's, but they still insist on doing nothing to solve what ails the 89500's. I used the shortest 90* elbow Summit listed on mine and the first time I bottomed out the suspension, it put a nice fat dent into the elbow, even though I was sure it was well above any chance of contacting the I beam.

Anyway, I'm pretty much done discussing this with you unless you have something useful to contribute. The OP questioned using the 88400's, I said there is a good chance they wont clear the frame very well, which has now been proven by a few people who have tried them on 302's. He was wanting to use them on a 351W, which would be worse. The taller 351W would put the 88400 collector up higher too... it may be too high and he would run into problems with firewall clearance also.



So now, baddad, knowing the problems that some people have had with 88400's and a 302, would you like to offer some help to the OP and tell them in your opinion if you think the 88400's will work well to swap a 351W in his Ranger?



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[The Weasel]

On what motor and heads ?

302 with E7 heads

 

[The Weasel]

Also should add that it could be different depending on your motor mounts. Not sure what you used, but I used Mustang mounts (I believe) in the stock holes and then mads some plates out of 1/2 steel to get it leveled and lined up where I wanted it.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

1985 Ranger 4x4 with a 3" body lift. '87 302 with E6 heads and two DS (I think) SN95 mounts. Hedman 88400 headers.

With 1" of shim on the passenger side, and half an inch on the drivers side (for oil pan clearance and leveling) I can rotate the entire collector plate around the collector with no trimming at all. Without the shim it would have been really tight, but since my drain plug was sitting on the pivot bracket I wouldn't have gone too far anyway.

It is one of those deals where what works for one guy may not always work for another guy. No regrets here, they sure look a lot better than the stupid looking 89500's.

For a 2wd I wouldn't run anything but the Shelby tri-y knock offs (on a 302)

Not complete by any means, but here are some pics of various headers to oodle over (on 302's though)

http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95640&highlight=header

 

[5.0]

For a 2wd I would run anything but the Shelby tri-y knock offs (on a 302)

Is this worded correctly?


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[5.0]

It is one of those deals where what works for one guy may not always work for another guy. No regrets here, they sure look a lot better than the stupid looking 88500's.
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I would guess so... at Summit when I search for 88500 the results show a shock absorber, that would look silly bolted to your head lol.



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[5.0]

Also should add that it could be different depending on your motor mounts. Not sure what you used, but I used Mustang mounts (I believe) in the stock holes and then mads some plates out of 1/2 steel to get it leveled and lined up where I wanted it.

Do you have a pic of the mounts and plates? The plates sound beefy at 1/2"

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Is this worded correctly?


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No, it is not. Thanks

Fixed the header part number too, dunno why I keep doing that.

You can click the little "+ thing beside "quote" and then hit "quote" after the last post to quote multiple posts too. It took me forever to figure that out, kinda streamlines posting.

 

[5.0]

I'm glad you took the shock absorber comment the right way... just having fun. I figured you was just in a hurry or something. Thanks for the tip on how to multiquote, it's certainly easier than opening multiple quotes in new windows and copy/pasting into one post, which is what I usually do.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

I got some pics of the PS tonight, you can also see how crappy the A/C heaterbox interacts with the valve cover:

 

[baddad457]

I kind of forgot what kind of jerks you and wade were to me back when I was going to try the 89500's. I was able to make them work just fine! Never once have they hit the i-beam, and that's even with saggy springs up front. Lol, I'm glad I didn't listen to you guys ---> http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58784


JERKS ? NO THAT WAS CALLED "TOUGH LOVE" YOU NEED TO LEARN THE DIFFERENCE.

And from another thread...





Anyway, I'm pretty much done discussing this with you unless you have something useful to contribute. The OP questioned using the 88400's, I said there is a good chance they wont clear the frame very well, which has now been proven by a few people who have tried them on 302's. He was wanting to use them on a 351W, which would be worse. The taller 351W would put the 88400 collector up higher too... it may be too high and he would run into problems with firewall clearance also.

NOPE, YOU SAID HE'D HAVE TO NOTCH THE FRAME. AND AS THE PICS ABOVE PROVE, THE COLLECTOR WOULD BE NOWHERE NEAR THE FRAME ON A 351 AS IT WOULD BE SITTING HIGHER.

So now, baddad, knowing the problems that some people have had with 88400's and a 302, would you like to offer some help to the OP and tell them in your opinion if you think the 88400's will work well to swap a 351W in his Ranger?



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Yea, I would offer this advice: Pick the header you prefer, but be prepared to modify them or alter the motor position (or any other part of, or in the engine bay) to make it work. No two engine swaps are the same, and that's the facts. It's the nature of the beast. I more than likely gave you this same advice, "way back when". Nothing is ironed in stone. You got lucky with the 89500's. And in doing so, you're in a very select few that were happy with em. Those that didn't far out number you. As for experience in this department, I've got you there. I've tried the 89500's, modified a 65-66 Stang 351W swap header, tried Hookers, and acomplished 4 different engines with the Shelby's. How many did you bite the bullet on and shell out hard earned money experimenting with again ?

 

[baddad457]

I got some pics of the PS tonight, you can also see how crappy the A/C heaterbox interacts with the valve cover:

Looks to me that using these on a 351W would move the collector up and out away from the frame, possibly the only thing interfering would be that seam in the firewall, which could be easily remedied.