Ford's head of marketing tells GM to get ---------

[Heavyfire14]

ugh, hyundai... american cars are the way to go even if it is gm or mopar.

but, get what you want. its your money.

 

[Ranger Dave (B25)]

this last few years gm has indeed caught up to ford and has a stout hd product.....ford should be scared....

Yes they have. Amazing what an infusion of billions in taxpayer money will do to help out, huh?

If left to sink or swim (also known as 'free enterprise'), both GM and Chrysler would be footnotes in history, as they should have been - Chrysler TWICE gets bailed out (see: Jimmy Carter) to continue producing shit vehicles.

Sorry, f**k GM. And Chrysler. The only good part about this is that now FIAT owns a majority of Chrysler; I say good, because it's gonna be a much harder sell to bail their sorry asses out now that they're foreign-owned.

 

[Ranger Dave (B25)]

ugh, hyundai... american cars are the way to go even if it is gm or mopar.

but, get what you want. its your money.

You do realize there is virtually no such thing as an "American" car anymore, don't you?

GMs are built in Canada and Mexico, Chrysler is majority-owned by FIAT (Italian) and Hyundai/Kia/Toyota/Honda/Nissan/VW/M-B/BMW all build cars in the US.

Have you ever driven a Hyundai? I have, and I like the Sonata a lot.

 

[bobbywalter]

The Raptor is a conversation peice and nothing more. It is not a race ready truck, it is more race ready than the average truck but is not intended to be raced out of the box. They could can the whole thing and not loose a ton of sales because of it... and it would be stupid to design a truck that could take everything that for the few that people would buy. And because of the hype, people won't hold back like they might with a regular truck. The F-150 already has the strongest frame in the industry, so everybody else would have to catch them before they could exceed them. In most areas of the country there are not even places to do anything with with a Raptor anyway... like around here we have $5-10k/acre cropground broken up by gravel or paved roads in one mile squares.

And yes you can spend $50k for a F-150, you can also spend $20k... depends on what kind of an F-150 you want. $30-35k will catch a pretty decent middle of the road truck.

And while fine IMO for a candid conversation (since the guy still has his job it must of been ok), I don't think it should have gone outside that room.

the raptor is not simply a conversation piece---faaaar from it! its not even a 150. far from that too.


failures i am in reference too are not from jumping over the moon, they are simply from a fawk up. needed some sort of air bumps or proper frame sectioning over what went out the door. the regular 150 fails faster on big jumps, but holds up on the little things that are hurting the raptor....its comical. does not bode well for the strongest truck on the market.

Yes they have. Amazing what an infusion of billions in taxpayer money will do to help out, huh?

If left to sink or swim (also known as 'free enterprise'), both GM and Chrysler would be footnotes in history, as they should have been - Chrysler TWICE gets bailed out (see: Jimmy Carter) to continue producing shit vehicles.

Sorry, f**k GM. And Chrysler. The only good part about this is that now FIAT owns a majority of Chrysler; I say good, because it's gonna be a much harder sell to bail their sorry asses out now that they're foreign-owned.

gm was on par before the bailouts....you have no idea how hard that is for me to face and come to terms with.


all the trucks get lower and stucker all the time...its getting like nascar in the hd market.

its getting stupid.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

the raptor is not simply a conversation piece---faaaar from it! its not even a 150. far from that too.

Conversation piece in that it will never be the gravy train the regular F-150 is. It is a limited production item to stir interest and to get people to come in the dealership and maybe get something else while they are there. Kind of like a Shelby.

I would very much rather have at least a F-250 for the money they think a Raptor is worth.

 

[Mac]

I'm sure there is a lot more to what the guy said. Sure Ford might be kind of PO'd off now GM is saying, look hoiw good we've done. The Ford family, Bill Senior and Jr, put most of their holdings, homes, estates and the plants up as collateral. There were a couple of generations of Fords with no backbone but sure sounds like Henry is back. Interesting reading of the Ford family, think it was Seniors grandmother who was the daughter of Harvy Firestone. Very interesting history.
Dave of the Nord

 

[bobbywalter]

Conversation piece in that it will never be the gravy train the regular F-150 is. It is a limited production item to stir interest and to get people to come in the dealership and maybe get something else while they are there. Kind of like a Shelby.

I would very much rather have at least a F-250 for the money they think a Raptor is worth.

i have to agree with this to a point, but the raptors sell and are indeed a dirt bound race car of epic nature.

I'm sure there is a lot more to what the guy said. Sure Ford might be kind of PO'd off now GM is saying, look hoiw good we've done. The Ford family, Bill Senior and Jr, put most of their holdings, homes, estates and the plants up as collateral. There were a couple of generations of Fords with no backbone but sure sounds like Henry is back. Interesting reading of the Ford family, think it was Seniors grandmother who was the daughter of Harvy Firestone. Very interesting history.
Dave of the Nord

i watched mulally today on the money channel thing. that guy has some balls...

 

[richlands55]

Everyone should own a gm product....They all make good flower planters for a yard. And all gm engines make really good boat anchors. gm has always made junk and instead of fixing the problems with what they already make, they just design and throw together another piece of junk.

 

[Tonka]

I've never been for/against either of the two. I have a GM car and 2 Ford trucks. Both of my grandfathers worked for and retired from GM. Therefore, as long as my grandma is still alive, I can get a HUGE discount on GM vehicles. (My sister got a $41k Tahoe for $27k with employee/family discount AND military discount back in 04. She had also argued her way down on price before she even mentioned those discounts. Smart girl)

In 2006 I was looking at Chevy trucks but was seriously unimpressed. They KILLED the Vortec engine line, ... this Silverado I test drove had NO BALLS, it's like that "flex-fuel" garbage and that stupid system that shuts down half the cylinders under light-load situations totally castrated what used to be a GREAT engine. Also, the salesman told me that the ONLY GM truck you can still get with a manual trans is that little Colorado/Canyon thing, and ONLY if you get one with the 4 cylinder. (A manual trans is not available with the 5 cylinder.) You can't even get a manual trans in a HD diesel. So even with the discount I could've gotten through my grandma, I still walked away & hopped in my 17 yr old Ford and drove away.

That was BEFORE Obama decided to give new meaning to the title "President and CEO". Now that GM has become "Government Motors" I won't have anything to do with the company.

I don't want to buy a Fiat, so that rules out Chrysler. I don't want to get my *** kicked on a daily basis, so that rules out Toyota.

Coincidentally, the only automaker I'll buy a truck from also happens to make the best looking ones on the market so that's the company I'd go with.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Everyone should own a gm product....They all make good flower planters for a yard. And all gm engines make really good boat anchors. gm has always made junk and instead of fixing the problems with what they already make, they just design and throw together another piece of junk.

I disagree.

We have always had a GM in the family, dad always had a Chevy pickup when I was growing up... got along great with them.

Besides that, two qualities of a boat anchor that makes it good is something that bites good and is easy to retrieve. An engine block weighing several hundred pounds does neither.

I wouln't mind getting an older Camaro just to broaden my horizons a little. Been all around a 302, saw way more of a Colone than anyone should ever have to deal with, love my mod... never actually done much with a SBC though...

 

[Captain Ledd]

Like, GM is the enemy? What if Harbor Freight starts selling cars?

Oh, they are--Hyundai!

Oh no! There's another one!

Kia!

Make it stop!

Do you know that you can pay $50,000 for a friggen F150!

Hyundia, or Kung Fu or whatever will soon sell you the same truck. Except it will be orange and made by Chicago Cumbusto vehicle factory in whatthefukisit, province China.

Assholez. Get your shit together or go down the toobz. GM and Ford should be working together and not wasting energy beating on each other.

Most things are already made in China, even parts on American cars.

And Hyundai and Kia are Korean, world of difference from China. There are currently no Chinese automakers in the U.S.

But yes, GM and Ford should definitely be working together. Though more Ford than GM.

 

[--weezl--]

Besides that, two qualities of a boat anchor that makes it good is something that bites good and is easy to retrieve. An engine block weighing several hundred pounds does neither.

not sure if you have ever heard this word before...

fa·ce·tious
   [fuh-see-shuhs]
–adjective
1.
not meant to be taken seriously or literally: a facetious remark.
2.
amusing; humorous.
3.
lacking serious intent; concerned with something nonessential, amusing, or frivolous: a facetious person.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

not sure if you have ever heard this word before...

fa·ce·tious
   [fuh-see-shuhs]
–adjective
1.
not meant to be taken seriously or literally: a facetious remark.
2.
amusing; humorous.
3.
lacking serious intent; concerned with something nonessential, amusing, or frivolous: a facetious person.

I was being smart...

 

[--weezl--]

i was being playful

 

[cr_the_machinist]

"I hate them and their company and what they stand for. And I hate the way they’re succeeding."

- Jim Farley

Could not have said it better myself.

Screw Akerson for pushing the gas tax increasing too.