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FE Lifters in a Cologne


You can remove far more weight by hollowing out the core of the lifter than cutting in a waist. I suspect the waist is cut to improve oil flow - e.g. a Cleveland which needs to more oil to the rear mains.

Roller lifters are bad idea on a tappet lifter cam. As has been alluded to, the base of tappet lifter is slightly domed. Which in conjunction with fact that the lobe on the cam has a slight taper across its face, caused the lifter to turn in its bore as it goes up and down. This means you get even wear across the cam/lifter = takes long time to wear out.

For a hydraulic tappet lifter cam lobe, the lobe is tapered all the way around the lobe as the lifter is in continuous contact, so is spinning all the time.

For a solid lifter, while the lefter is on base circle, it isn't always in contact - when cold you have the few thousandths clearance. So, the base circle is flat and then the taper is slowly added as the lobe provides lift to rotate the lifter, and removed as lifter comes back to base circle. As the acceleration is slight, wear is minuscule.

If you put a solid lifter on a hydraulic cam, you are suddenly starting the lifter and that rapidly wears either the cam, the lifter or both = pieces of them in oil and failure.

If you put a roller lifter on a tappet lifter cam, only a small portion of the roller is against the cam due to the taper on the lobe. This results in high contact pressures and quick failure of lifter, cam or both.

Swapping between hydraulic and solid roller lifter cams doesn't have wear issues, but there are usually issues with profiles not being compatible.

Back to solid lifters - they are simple, they are light but they require maintenance. Wear on cam lobe, lifter, pushrod, rocker, valve stem & seat all have to be manually adjusted for. Which requires you know what you are doing and is messy - you are removing valve covers on a regular basis which is asking for a leak.

Enter the hydraulic lifter - for a slight bit of complexity and weight, you eliminate maintenance. But there is a drawback when you start using an aggressive cam.

The same functionality that allows the lifter to over fill (pump up) and keep the valve off its seat - becomes especially bad when you rev so high you 'float' the valve and/or is the profile of the cam results in the valve bouncing off the seat. In either case, the hydraulic lifter 'sees' this as wear and fills up to eliminate it. Hence the anti-pump up lifter, which reduces the tendency.

A side effect of an aggressive cam is poor idle - lift and duration for high rpms are excessive for low rpms. What Rhoades lifters do is allow a little oil to seep out at low rpm, so cam effectively has less lift/duration and engine idles better - kind of the opposite of anti-pump up lifter, they under fill the lifter at low rpm. Then as oil pressure/speed increases at high rpms, the lifters let less oil out, allowing the cam to have its specified lift/duration.

So, without changing the cam - lift/duration/overlap - there really isn't an advantage to FE lifters. Now putting in FE Rhoades hydraulic lifters with appropriate cam could allow more rpms while maintaining existing low end performance - assuming the intake and exhaust would support it.
 
Thanks for the run-down. I knew most of that but had also forgotten most of it as well.
 
I knew almost none of that a few minutes ago.

Thanks
 
sent the cad files that I drew up for the rocker spacers to a bunch of machine shops. So far, cheapest one quoted me $360, which means not happening.
Wow. I didn't think it would be that expensive. I guess the only alternative would be to find aluminum stock/pipe/conduit with the approximate I.D. (FE spacers are too big) and make some from that.
 
@don4331 thank you, that was the exact answer I was looking for.

Negotiating a new 2.9 Granada fast road cam and matching solid lifters out of Norway right now. Will see what happens. Stay 'tuned
 
Actually the FE went clear into 1976 for the 360/390 variant, FE stood for "Ford Edsel" and the engine family was replaced by the 335 engine family (351C/351M/400) and the 385 engine family (429/460).
welcome back ;)
 
FE anti-pump up lifters inbound, as well as a cam and modified cam bearing set. :icon_thumby:

I do realize this was in contrast to the Rhodes option.

After some more talkins' and readins', I settled on the anti pump up for two reasons: high-rpm stability, and they were half the price of a set of Rhodes.
 
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