EV accidents

[19Walt93]

Anyone who's read my posts knows I'm not an EV fan. The power grid won't handle charging them in big numbers, the range shrinks dramatically in cold weather, and optimistically, the battery will last 10 years before the vehicle turns into lawn art.
I talked to an old customer who retired from the fire department yesterday at a car show. I asked if he knew how many first responders had been killed at accidents involving electric vehicles, he said there had been some but didn't know how many. He then told me some of the people in the wrecked cars had been electrocuted after high voltage surged through the vehicle. Isn't it funny that's never been mentioned by the media- they just stress the "savings" by not having to change the oil, and forget to mention the cost of replacing the battery and the potential hazards in a wreck. Gas powered cars can burn, too, but it's exceedingly rare- except in movies.

 

[rubydist]

The problem with electric vehicle fires is that they are self-sustaining (they do not need a supply of air to keep going), and it is nearly impossible to put enough water on them to cool them enough to get the fire out. That is why you see a melted blob on the road after electric vehicle fires. And it doesn't take an accident to cause these fires. Another Tesla randomly caught fire this week just driving down the road.

The other thing about electric vehicles that Walt didn't mention is that the manufacturing of the battery is harder on the environment than driving a regular gas vehicle for 20 years. So these people who think they are saving the planet by driving an electric vehicle are deluding themselves.

 

[19Walt93]

The problem with electric vehicle fires is that they are self-sustaining (they do not need a supply of air to keep going), and it is nearly impossible to put enough water on them to cool them enough to get the fire out. That is why you see a melted blob on the road after electric vehicle fires. And it doesn't take an accident to cause these fires. Another Tesla randomly caught fire this week just driving down the road.

The other thing about electric vehicles that Walt didn't mention is that the manufacturing of the battery is harder on the environment than driving a regular gas vehicle for 20 years. So these people who think they are saving the planet by driving an electric vehicle are deluding themselves.

Right, they aren't "zero emissions", the emissions are just moved to where ever power is generated. I'd much rather see more research done on hydrogen fuel cells. Self important hypocrites like Al Gore, John Kerry, and Elon Musk could stop flying around in private jets, too.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

There are like three trouble codes they can throw, the solution is to push them out of the shop and store them away from anything.

Don't worry about calling Ford, your laptop did it automatically when it smelled the code.

Stellantis is wanting us to put in level 3 chargers. Cool couple hundred grand side venture in a town of 6k with approximately 0 electric cars.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

Thats the issue with this "green" push in general...

They never, ever mention the huge sacrifices in quality of life, conveience, safety, and comfort its going to take on thr part of the general population to reach those goals.

If they did say that part, no one would support it and those pushing it would be quickly voted out.

 

[sgtsandman]

For my purposes, I think an EV’s negatives outweigh any positives they may provide.

Between the issues that aircraft and cell phones have had with lithium batteries, the potential bad things happening and have happened, isn’t worth it. Especially when you consider how much larger the battery pack is in an EV.

I agree that the environmental impact is just moved to a different location. Great for a high population area, maybe as far as the air quality in that location but the pollution is still being generated and where the materials being mined and processed is being devastated.

To me, an EV is a zero sum game at best compared to an ICE vehicle. The studies put out there show that long term, the EV is less hazardous but I also think not all factors are being considered or some are being omitted to make the EV look better.

 

[PetroleumJunkie412]

the vehicle turns into lawn art.

Do you understand how many of these things I am going to buy up and torch as soon as they're at scrap value?

 

[Snoranger]

Do you understand how many of these things I am going to buy up and torch as soon as they're at scrap value?

2.9l swap them.

 

[PetroleumJunkie412]

2.9l swap them.

No sir. Doing my part to make sure there's a shortage of used parts.

Plus the YouTube ratings will be killer.

 

[RonD]

Not sure you are looking at the whole picture and how technology changes as time goes by

How many Horses "burst into flame", I am guessing none, yet ICE(gasoline and alcohol) vehicles came into popular use
Fire departments adapted
There were no "gas station", then there were
Not enough gas, and then there was
Had to drain the water out of engines everyday in cold climates before anti-freeze was developed
Over the years Safety glass and seat belts, and then airbags were added to slow the carnage of our "need for speed"

In 1910 only 2% of US had electricity, 1920, 35%, 1925 50%, but that's in cities mostly
Same for "gas stations", most were in the cities so very hard to do cross country driving, had to plan those trips


Point is, if you base judgments on today's technology then you will be wrong most of the time
Yes, 3D TV/movies technology was a disappointment so not wrong about that
Will power grid be updated, of course, how?, have to wait and see
Will there be more electricity available, of course, how?, have to wait and see
Will batteries get better, of course, how?, have to wait and see

Things are rarely "invented" when there is no need, i.e. "necessity is the mother of invention"
Post-it notes were the exception to the rule, lol
So the electric cars and hybrids now are old technology, made of things that currently work but they will not be the same in 5 years, 10 years, ect......
Technology is not stagnate, with the exception of death and taxes, whats here today will not be here tomorrow

 

[PetroleumJunkie412]

Not sure you are looking at the whole picture and how technology changes as time goes by

How many Horses "burst into flame", I am guessing none, yet ICE(gasoline and alcohol) vehicles came into popular use
Fire departments adapted
There were no "gas station", then there were
Not enough gas, and then there was
Had to drain the water out of engines everyday in cold climates before anti-freeze was developed
Over the years Safety glass and seat belts, and then airbags were added so slow the carnage of our "need for speed"

In 1910 only 2% of US had electricity, 1920, 35%, 1925 50%, but that's in cities mostly
Same for "gas stations", most were in the cities so very hard to do cross country driving, had to plan those trips


Point is, if you base judgments on today's technology then you will be wrong most of the time
Yes, 3D TV/movies technology was a disappointment so not wrong about that
Will power grid be updated, of course, how?, have to wait and see
Will there be more electricity available, of course, how?, have to wait and see
Will batteries get better, of course, how?, have to wait and see

Things are rarely "invented" when there is no need, i.e. "necessity is the mother of invention"
Post-it notes were the exception to the rule, lol
So the electric cars and hybrids now are old technology, made of things that currently work but they will not be the same in 5 years, 10 years, ect......
Technology is not stagnate, with the exception of death and taxes, whats here today will not be here tomorrow

Disagree.

Male testosterone levels are falling off a cliff.

This directly correlates with "safety" features and electric vehicles.

 

[alwaysFlOoReD]

Disagree.

Male testosterone levels are falling off a cliff.

This directly correlates with "safety" features and electric vehicles.

Graph it with age...
Male age against testosterone levels...

 

[PetroleumJunkie412]

Graph it with age...
Male age against testosterone levels...

Well, yeah, falls off over time. But there's a lot of study showing that men in their 20s now thave the same T levels as men in their 60s 100 years ago.

Tons of factors from diet and lifestyle to environmental, blah blah blah.

My point is that as soon as they put airbags and seat belts in cars, and invented "safety" razors, men's test levels imploded.



Ima take the airbags outta my truck and see if I get a boost.

 

[Blmpkn]

Graph it with age...
Male age against testosterone levels...

Average amount of facial hair by vehicle type or something lol.

There's actually been some studies done on testosterone/vehicle/facial hair growth already.. I heard about it a little over a decade ago. Super simple methods..

Participants were clean shaven and then given some super hot sports car to drive for a month or whatever... at the end of the month they shaved their faces and all the facial hair was weighed on a scale.

Next month they drove some econo-box or something like that.. and again with the facial hair weighing at the end..


Iirc, pretty much everyone grew an appreciable amount more facial hair the month they drove the sports car around.

 

[RonD]

Disagree.

Male testosterone levels are falling off a cliff.

This directly correlates with "safety" features and electric vehicles.

Guys still restore Mopars, how does that fit in to low testosterone levels

And berate safety features in vehicles, speed limters and electric vehicles