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[rusty ol ranger]

Not sure you are looking at the whole picture and how technology changes as time goes by

How many Horses "burst into flame", I am guessing none, yet ICE(gasoline and alcohol) vehicles came into popular use
Fire departments adapted
There were no "gas station", then there were
Not enough gas, and then there was
Had to drain the water out of engines everyday in cold climates before anti-freeze was developed
Over the years Safety glass and seat belts, and then airbags were added to slow the carnage of our "need for speed"

In 1910 only 2% of US had electricity, 1920, 35%, 1925 50%, but that's in cities mostly
Same for "gas stations", most were in the cities so very hard to do cross country driving, had to plan those trips


Point is, if you base judgments on today's technology then you will be wrong most of the time
Yes, 3D TV/movies technology was a disappointment so not wrong about that
Will power grid be updated, of course, how?, have to wait and see
Will there be more electricity available, of course, how?, have to wait and see
Will batteries get better, of course, how?, have to wait and see

Things are rarely "invented" when there is no need, i.e. "necessity is the mother of invention"
Post-it notes were the exception to the rule, lol
So the electric cars and hybrids now are old technology, made of things that currently work but they will not be the same in 5 years, 10 years, ect......
Technology is not stagnate, with the exception of death and taxes, whats here today will not be here tomorrow

Difference is gas cars wernt legislated into mass adoption. The market decided.

Left to their own devices without government pushing EV's wouldnt get very far.

 

[PetroleumJunkie412]

Difference is gas cars wernt legislated into mass adoption. The market decided.

Left to their own devices without government pushing EV's wouldnt get very far.

Fair points.

And a bunch of soy fed low t....

F it. Ima gonna go deadlift till I puke.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

Fair points.

And a bunch of soy fed low t....

F it. Ima gonna go deadlift till I puke.

I heard once...as disgusting as this sounds...is the water.

Why?

Women take birth control...which is full of hormone...they piss...that water goes through treatment and back into the water supply....with the hormone still in it.

Not sure if its true...just something i read once

 

[PetroleumJunkie412]

I heard once...as disgusting as this sounds...is the water.

Why?

Women take birth control...which is full of hormone...they piss...that water goes through treatment and back into the water supply....with the hormone still in it.

Not sure if its true...just something i read once

This is a deeeeeeep rabbit hole...

 

[JoshT]

I heard once...as disgusting as this sounds...is the water.

Why?

Women take birth control...which is full of hormone...they piss...that water goes through treatment and back into the water supply....with the hormone still in it.

Not sure if its true...just something i read once

not saying I'm buying it, but...

If true, glad I'm on well water at home.

Second highest place I drink water is work. There is probably worse things to worry about in the water supply on base considering all the crap that has been washed down the drain over the years.

 

[RonD]

Difference is gas cars wernt legislated into mass adoption. The market decided.

Left to their own devices without government pushing EV's wouldnt get very far.

Well, while current governments all over the world offer incentives and tax breaks for EVs...........................

Horse and wagons were out right BANNED from using the paved roads in some cities and towns after ICE vehicles got popular
No incentives or tax breaks, just "you don't have to buy an ICE vehicle, but you ain't gonna use a horse and wagon on our streets from now on"
And that was actually "shoving it down their throats"

So governments will always get, and be, involved in transportation

Phasing out ICE is way way different than banning it outright, ask the holdouts with horses back in the early 1900's, lol
Saying all new vehicles produced after 20"whatever" need to be EVs is pie in the sky, if it happens great, if not still great
Doesn't effect current ICE vehicles

Are there things wrong with EVs, of course
And after 120+ years there are still things wrong with ICE, of course, big one is still under 33% efficient for gasoline engines, spend $3 on a gallon of gas and only $1 of that pushes you down the road, wasted $2 heating up the air around your engine
What kind of an idiot would want that...................we did and do, lol

 

[JoshT]

Well, considering that ICE and EV were initially developed concurrently...

After 120+ years, there is still a lot more wrong with EV than ICE.

I know thats grossly oversimplifying things, just saying...

 

[RonD]

1890's electric cars were better than ICE, but there was no portable power for them, batteries of the day were not even close to being able to handle that application
Even electric start ICE were well into the future as far as battery development

Gasoline or diesel would be the better comparison
Diesel was better overall but cost more to build the engines and they lasted longer, they are now at 45% efficient as well, and have always been more efficient that gasoline, or alohol engines
Gasoline engines had faster RPM response and wider range, were cheaper to build and would fail earlier for repeat sales, what's not to like as a vehicle manufacturer

 

[rusty ol ranger]

1890's electric cars were better than ICE, but there was no portable power for them, batteries of the day were not even close to being able to handle that application
Even electric start ICE were well into the future as far as battery development

Gasoline or diesel would be the better comparison
Diesel was better overall but cost more to build the engines and they lasted longer, they are now at 45% efficient as well, and have always been more efficient that gasoline, or alohol engines
Gasoline engines had faster RPM response and wider range, were cheaper to build and would fail earlier for repeat sales, what's not to like as a vehicle manufacturer

I think youre overlooking something....

IC replaced horses because it was better at what it was called upon to do. EV's are at best, equal to IC, and in most practical ways worse.

Its certainly not going to get a whole lot, if any, better by 2032.

 

[alwaysFlOoReD]

I think youre overlooking something....

IC replaced horses because it was better at what it was called upon to do. EV's are at best, equal to IC, and in most practical ways worse.

Its certainly not going to get a whole lot, if any, better by 2032.

I disagree. There is already new battery tech that uses far less rare earth metals, and aren't susceptible to fires. The technology isn't going to stagnate...

 

[rusty ol ranger]

I disagree. There is already new battery tech that uses far less rare earth metals, and aren't susceptible to fires. The technology isn't going to stagnate...

But will it have the range? Be able to recharge in 5 min to full capacity? Can it tow, run the AC, etc etc without massive range drops? Charge in frigid weather?

These are the things im talking about.

 

[JoshT]

1890's electric cars were better than ICE, but there was no portable power for them, batteries of the day were not even close to being able to handle that application
Even electric start ICE were well into the future as far as battery development

I wasn't arguing that, just stating that ICE has advanced a lot more than EEV has in the last 120+ years. Now if we limit the comparison to the last 20-30 years, EV has progressed WAY faster than ICE did in the same time period.

Very early the electric took the lead because it was easier and safer and people generally only traveled very short distances. As the desire to travel grew the gasoline engine (ICE) gained popularity.

EV today suffers from the same issue that made it loose out 100 years ago. Range, support, and price. It's better today, but still same general issues.

As people wanted to venture further the EV could not support it. With the creation of electric start gasoline engines gained a strong foothold because they were as easy to start (relatively speaking) as an EV and, with a simple stop to refuel, were capable of much greater ranges. The gasoline engine could carry extra fuel with, and eventually a support network developed for providing fuel. The EV is still limited to local areas or major routes that have charging support, unfortunately for EV it couldn't carry extra fuel along like an ICE powered vehicle, so you don't have the option of refueling where there is no support structure for it. There are palces in thsi country where even a 110 outlet isn't available.

In the supportability area things are beginning to equalize for the wrong reasons. Back then anyone could work on and repair their ICE, infact it was encouraged for the owner to maintain their own vehicle. From the start EVs required specialized repair. Parts for ICE were cheap compared to batteries. Relatively speaking batteries were nearly as expensive then as they are now. EVs still require specialized repair shops, tools and methods. Parts for EVs are still high dollar compared to ICE. Unfortunately things are equalizing here because manufacturers are intentionally trying to design ICE vehicles where the owner can't work on them.

Price, well ICE vehicles were cheap compared to EV back then. In 1912 the average income was around $750. A ICE powered vehicle (a Ford) could be cought for $500-$1000. An EV cost$1500+, with many of the nicer examples averaging around $3000. That price difference still kind of exists, but it's disappearing because ICE prices are increasing at a redicilous rate for various reasons.

 

[JoshT]

This might be an interesting read for some interested on the history of EV.

https://avt.inl.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/fsev/HistoryOfElectricCars.pdf

It popped up in my quick search to verify pricing I remembered hearing about for early EVs.

 

[Snoranger]

But will it have the range? Be able to recharge in 5 min to full capacity? Can it tow, run the AC, etc etc without massive range drops? Charge in frigid weather?

These are the things im talking about.

Eventually it will… and that’s when I’ll buy one.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Farms also already has liquid fuel needs in gas power unit, appliences, lighting. Farm equipment ran a different kind of fuel and so did the old oil burner furnaces so there were multiple kinds of petroleum fuel to deal with.

And yet farming with horses wasnt super unheard of into the 1950's.