disable neutral switch nuisance??

[Andy D]

I had a 25 yr gap in driving a manual trans. My last was a 1960 something Willys Overland 4wd wagon. With the Rat, I ended up drilling the the clutch master off the fire wall and the safety switch gizmo got lost in the struggle. It is jumped out . Aint no big deal. No other manual I ever drove had one either. Car makers figured that you knew not to do such a fool thing as start a car in gear. Just messing around, the Rat will take off in first on the starter. It is always pointing out. I can launch it just by turning the key. With an old truck , it is good to have options .



I have yet to roll start it. Which gear should I use 2nd or 3rd? 3.27 gears TIA

 

[stumpcatcher]

Ok
What I did was snip the 2 wires by the clutch pedal and solder them together, then taped them up.
Now starter motor turns whenever I turn the key, which is what I wanted.

thanks

 

[adsm08]

I have yet to roll start it. Which gear should I use 2nd or 3rd? 3.27 gears TIA

Second gear is considered best for a true pop start. If you want to do it like I used to have to, you are pretty much stuck with 1st.

 

[wildbill23c]

The only manual transmission vehicle I've had that you couldn't start unless the clutch was pushed in was a 2006 chevy cobalt POS. Other than that all the manual transmission vehicles I've had for one reason or another the previous owner had already bypassed the clutch safety switch. Which if you are out in the backwoods and something goes wrong, sometimes the less electronics and safety features the better off you are. My starter in my Dodge Ram quit working about 50 miles up on a trail in the mountains, I simply just parked on a small hill so that I could get it started again by just letting the truck roll forward and letting out the clutch. You just can't do that with an automatic, or at least I haven't found an easy way to do so. I'm sure if you can get an automatic rolling fast enough it may work, but how fast do you have to get it going I haven't taken the time to find out.

 

[adsm08]

No, it really won't work with an automatic. If the pump isn't spinning there is no fluid pressure (which is why they burn up being flat towed). Without fluid pressure the clutches won't engage. Without the clutches engaged the input shaft won't spin. Without the input shaft spinning there is nothing diving the impeller in the converter. If the impeller doesn't spin the turbine doesn't spin. If the turbine doesn't spin, nothing will push the engine.

Most autos cannot be pop started. Try this in an older auto ( I did it in my dad's van once by running out of gas). Get it rolling along at 40 or 50 MPH and kill the engine, but leave it in gear. The engine will keep spinning and you will keep power steering. Then drop it in N for a few seconds, feel the loss of power steering assist, and then pop it back in drive. You won't get that power assist back.

 

[wildbill23c]

No, it really won't work with an automatic. If the pump isn't spinning there is no fluid pressure (which is why they burn up being flat towed). Without fluid pressure the clutches won't engage. Without the clutches engaged the input shaft won't spin. Without the input shaft spinning there is nothing diving the impeller in the converter. If the impeller doesn't spin the turbine doesn't spin. If the turbine doesn't spin, nothing will push the engine.

Most autos cannot be pop started. Try this in an older auto ( I did it in my dad's van once by running out of gas). Get it rolling along at 40 or 50 MPH and kill the engine, but leave it in gear. The engine will keep spinning and you will keep power steering. Then drop it in N for a few seconds, feel the loss of power steering assist, and then pop it back in drive. You won't get that power assist back.

Yeah that's what I've found, you can't get the auto trannies to pressurize unless the fluid pump can be operated LOL. Everyone looks at me funny when I mention I like my manual transmission vehicles when I'm up in the mountains.

 

[naford]

Why not just use a bypass switch for those moments that you need to start the truck in gear?

 

[bobbywalter]

Why not just use a bypass switch for those moments that you need to start the truck in gear?

some of us do make a switch that works both ways as an added anti theft ability as well. i know i do and many others.


you can push start an auto easy enough if you want to modify it to that end with a pump up accumulator(air or hydro) and some valves to engage the forwards. its complicated and will be hard to keep from leaking and making a mess, but easy enough to do with many transmissions. adding all the connections and soft line to pan bulkhead connectors is just asking for trouble imo and why i refrain from doing it.

handshakers really shine in the wild and remote areas for damn sure.