disable neutral switch nuisance??

[stumpcatcher]

Hi
I have 85 ranger 5 speed manual 2WD

Can you tell me how to disable the neutral switch so that the starter will crank when the transmission is in gear and the clutch pedal is not depressed??

thanks

 

[adsm08]

Well, as with many things that people want to disable, the switch is a safety feature, not a "nuisance".

But killing it is pretty easy and there are two ways to go about it. The first is temporary and allows it to be put back to the factory configuration if you ever want to. The other is somewhat more permanent.

1) Go to the junk yard, find an 83-87 Ranger or BII that has an automatic trans. Look up under the dash near where the switch would be. You will find a little black connector with a wire that just loops over. Take that loop off and plug it in to your NSS plug.

2) Just cut the wires off at the sensor and solder them together.

 

[bobbywalter]

or just pull the clutch safety switch jumper from a 85-88 automatic equipped rbv and plug that in to your clutch pedal switch. that is the one that should be stopping you from being able to start it anyway.

 

[wildbill23c]

If you bypass that neutral/clutch safety switch DO NOT...DO NOT install a remote start system ever. A friend of mine did that in his 99 Dodge Ram, and not thinking about it, installed a remote start system, nice feature, but when you let your kids play with your car keys, and they hit the remote start button on a truck with a manual transmission that's in gear, well you can imagine the rest, actually it was parked behind his father-in-laws car, which the truck nicely crawled up the back end of that car.

Safety features are there for that reason so something like that won't happen. My 84 Bronco 2 doesn't have it, or it has been removed or bypassed. Personally I don't worry about it because when my truck is parked its in neutral and the parking brake is set, but if someone else were to drive it not knowing the safety feature isn't there or not working it could be extremely dangerous.

 

[adsm08]

or just pull the clutch safety switch jumper from a 85-88 automatic equipped

Up to 87 had the two wire open/closed switch.

88 changed the bend in the clutch pedal arm and started using the 4-pin triple function switch.

 

[stumpcatcher]

OK very good answers.
AND I have an 86 with autotrans I can take the parts mentioned from.


thanks

 

[adsm08]

Yeah, it can be a useful ability to have. I rocked the shorting bar for a while after the actuator rod on mine broke, until I swapped out to 88 all parts from a parts truck I bought.

 

[bobbywalter]

definitely useful but also dangerous.

but my 86 87 and 88 2.9 trucks had 6 pin jumpers, though i seen several setups as well, just not sure of all the years. the triple function was supposed to start in 87 but my 86's all had the same. the 85's i swapped v8's and 4.0 into i gutted anyway but seem to remember single switching in those that were tag type....the earlier trucks had odd shit all around.

so its possible the earlier carb style actually send a start signal thru the ngs....but on ford eec efi units the neutral switch usually completes a ground signal return from pin 46 to pin 30 and the actuall cranking just goes thru the clutch switch.

an auto equipped unit usually sends a power pulse to pin 30.

at least thats how i remember it. i could be wrong.....my memory aint what it used to be...not that it was ever real good

 

[UrbanRedneckKid]

Well, blah blah blah...
2) Just cut the wires off at the sensor and solder them together.

That's what I did on one of my old B2s, kinda.

I ran the wires to a hidden switch under the dash,
only because somebody thought it would be necessary to make it so all my close friends had a copy of my key...

Oh high school... How I don't miss you.

 

[wildbill23c]

That's what I did on one of my old B2s, kinda.

I ran the wires to a hidden switch under the dash,
only because somebody thought it would be necessary to make it so all my close friends had a copy of my key...

Oh high school... How I don't miss you.

And the reason my keys are always in my pocket, one so I never lose them, and 2 so dumb ignorant people aren't screwing around with my stuff. However the switch under the dash idea would be kind of an anti-theft device as well.

 

[bobbywalter]

yeah, my little redneck princesses were getting shit from guys saying they were going to swipe her bronco and go boggin.....and a few said they were gonna take mine as she drives my ranger quite a bit depending on my work schedule as well. none of my vehicles require keys....cause i hate keys. you just turn the fob to unlock the steering and turn certain funtions on.


so she challenged them to take them on a few different occasions.


even after a 1/2 hour none of the morons could figure out how to start any of the trucks....this is over numerous occasions.(so no real mechanics at this point)


of course i did not have the normal b&m shifter hooked up at that time in my truck either....****ing idiots didnt even know what glowplugs were

at that time she fired it up and then challenged them to take it for a run.

no winners there either.


so she is as hillbilly as i have ever been.

 

[adsm08]

definitely useful but also dangerous.

but my 86 87 and 88 2.9 trucks had 6 pin jumpers, though i seen several setups as well, just not sure of all the years. the triple function was supposed to start in 87 but my 86's all had the

IIRC the 86 and 87 only got the triple function switch if they had cruise or push buttom 4x4.

My 87 has a triple function right now, and even if you did know what you were looking at you might not catch that is isn't right because with all of my mods I am very meticulous about making it look like it belonged there.

Very little on my truck matches it's factory configuration, but even my shop foreman who has been a Ford enthusiast since the 70's has trouble telling what is stock (really just the steering wheel and key at this point) and what is something I have done to it.

 

[doorgunner]

Hi
I have 85 ranger 5 speed manual 2WD

Can you tell me how to disable the neutral switch so that the starter will crank when the transmission is in gear and the clutch pedal is not depressed??

thanks

It must be the meds.......but.....why do you want to start the engine in gear with the clutch engaged?

I would assume that you mean in neutral....but one never knows unless one askssssssss.

 

[bobbywalter]

if you wheel with a carb, its necessary in low range low gear often to get the rig level....even with efi on certain stall obstacles it helps keep it running.


then if you lose your slave cylinder you can still drive by powershifting...when you have to stop you just start it in first gear....

i drove a few different vehicles that way through a few winters.

those are just a few reasons i do it.

 

[adsm08]

It must be the meds.......but.....why do you want to start the engine in gear with the clutch engaged?

I had a wiring issue in my engine harness a few years ago where being able to get the truck rolling with the starter like that was the only way to get it to start consistently. The TFI wasn't getting power in start, only run, so if you got it rolling and left off the key the truck's movement would keep the engine spinning long enough for it to catch.