Clarification on Duratec 5 speeds. Please

[stan]

I've read through about 10 pages in the Transmission forum. Went through the tech library. Searched other online sources (but this Forum is the best, obviously). What I'm seeing: The 5-speed (M50D-R1) from '88 and newer can be used in any 2.3/2.5 Lima or Duratec. There is no bellhousing so the transmission from the 3.0 can't be used even though it's the same transmission. But the internals can be used. The transmission from the 4.0 -'86 and newer (?) is the same except for the gear rations. (I'm assuming they're lower because of being used in 4X4s and more towing expectations).

Sorry for the long lead in. I'm looking to replace my '01 Duratec 5-speed and then rebuilding -maybe- my old one. It has the 2nd gear syncro going out and don't want to get an earlier one and find out it doesn't work.

Thanks for any input, and hopefully not TL;DR

 

[pjtoledo]

I've also heard the innards are the same and have a couple to experiment with but haven't actually swapped parts yet.
4.0 has more low rpm power, does not have as low 1st & 2nd
2.3L, 2.5L, 3.0V, 2.3D all have less power, do have lower 1st & 2nd 3rd?

Duratec have their own bell housing pattern, no others will fit.
for what it's worth, my 2005 Duratec still has the original transmission at 377,000+ miles.

 

[scotts90ranger]

The Duratec transmission case is different than the Lima version because of the bellhousing, Ford never uses the same bellhousing for much of anything unlike GM...

You have the years and stuff mixed up a bit, first M5OD was in the 2.0/2.3L rangers in '87, 4.0's always had the M5OD, so did 3.0's and 2.9's were a crapshoot even until their last year in '92. The 4.0L version actually had taller gears so the gears themselves were stronger. There were a few internal changes over the years, around '95ish they changed the shifter around, there was a gear change in about '92, handful of different slave cylinders and in about '98 the speedo gear hole went away.

In short you need to stick with a duratec transmission which limits you to late '01 through '11

 

[Jazzer]

You don’t have a location listed, but I have a M5OD-R1 from a 2007 Duratec, all bearings and seals replaced. for $500. I’m in central Indiana, willing to drive a bit if it’s relatively near.

 

[stan]

You don’t have a location listed, but I have a M5OD-R1 from a 2007 Duratec, all bearings and seals replaced. for $500. I’m in central Indiana, willing to drive a bit if it’s relatively near.

I just found a Duratec 5-speed about 1.5 hours away. I'm just west of Springfield, O. Appreciate the info and offers (G/L selling your M50D-R1)!
Thanks again..

 

[fixizin]

Sorry to be ig-nernt, but... which 2001-2011 vehicles had Duratec engines and non-Mazda "Duratec" manual transmissions?

 

[pjtoledo]

in Rangers, the dual overhead cam 4 cylinder engines were all Duratec engines, 2.3 L displacement.
they were the only 4 cylinder engine in 2wd Rangers for those years, 2001-2011.

there are other Duratec engines, but not in Rangers. all are dual overhead cam.
2.5 4cyl in Fusions and others
2.5 6 cyl in Contours and others.
3.0 6 cyl in lots of other models.

WIKI has articles about Ford engine families and their uses.

I'm not sure what you're asking about "non-Mazda Duratec" transmissions.
Duratec Rangers only had 2 transmission options, an automatic, or the M50D

 

[SenorNoob]

Best I can tell everything else the engine was offered in till the new Rangers was FWD. No transmission swap for a Ranger.

Kinda wonder what the EcoBoost Mustang uses for a manual. I guess the 6 speed might be swappable into a Ranger if you wanted to put in the work. (MT82?)

 

[bobbywalter]

the mazda L is the ranger engine. it is an even bigger POTENTIAL gorilla than the lima.

the mazda rwd transmissions can work with the ranger...think miata ect.

the mt 82 is a turd if you are going turbo and big power....in a n/a engine would be pretty decent i would think.

if you want 4x4 you just swap the guts from a 4x4 v6 application with the r1.

the current 7 speed if you can find it can work with its granny low. and of course the 10 speeds...6 speeds ect from the stang and rangers. you would want to keep those ecm systems complete to use those setups cost effectively.

those transmissions are awesome.

 

[bobbywalter]

that inline six turbo platform in the cx 90 would be a kewlz swap

 

[sgtsandman]

Best I can tell everything else the engine was offered in till the new Rangers was FWD. No transmission swap for a Ranger.

Kinda wonder what the EcoBoost Mustang uses for a manual. I guess the 6 speed might be swappable into a Ranger if you wanted to put in the work. (MT82?)

I'm wondering if the swap would even be possible with how integrated the electronics the 2019+ Rangers.

One might be able to get away with it in a RWD Ranger, using the computer/module from a Mustang. 4X4, one would probably need to get stuff from a 2.3 ecoboost Bronco.

 

[fixizin]

...
I'm not sure what you're asking about "non-Mazda Duratec" transmissions.
Duratec Rangers only had 2 transmission options, an automatic, or the M50D

Muh Bad... so it's still the ol' reliable M5OD, but... is the bell-housing/bolt-pattern the same on the 2.3 Duratec as it was on Ye Olde 2.3 Lima????

 

[fixizin]

in Rangers, the dual overhead cam 4 cylinder engines were all Duratec engines, 2.3 L displacement.
they were the only 4 cylinder engine in 2wd Rangers for those years, 2001-2011.

D'OH!... I did not know that. I just ass-u-me'd that they kept cranking out those bullet-proof, heavy-like-a-diesel 2.3Lima blocks until circa 2015... I mean that thing was in the Turbo T-bird Coupe, some of the German Merkurs, etc... IIRC Volvo made a dual-cam 4-valve head for it! I've seen guys boost them to 29-30PSI, headers GLOWING RED, with no apparent damage to the internals!

But again the thing is nearly the size and WEIGHT of a 302/5.0L, so it was inevitable that FoMoCo would eventually come out with its fuel-saving ALUMINUM cousin...

 

[bobbywalter]

I'm wondering if the swap would even be possible with how integrated the electronics the 2019+ Rangers.

One might be able to get away with it in a RWD Ranger, using the computer/module from a Mustang. 4X4, one would probably need to get stuff from a 2.3 ecoboost Bronco.

not hard at all depending on goals. i use different methodology for cruise control ect... but the powertrains are cost effectively interactable.

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[bobbywalter]

D'OH!... I did not know that. I just ass-u-me'd that they kept cranking out those bullet-proof, heavy-like-a-diesel 2.3Lima blocks until circa 2015... I mean that thing was in the Turbo T-bird Coupe, some of the German Merkurs, etc... IIRC Volvo made a dual-cam 4-valve head for it! I've seen guys boost them to 29-30PSI, headers GLOWING RED, with no apparent damage to the internals!

But again the thing is nearly the size and WEIGHT of a 302/5.0L, so it was inevitable that FoMoCo would eventually come out with its fuel-saving ALUMINUM cousin...

its a mazda L. quite the monster ....a wolf in sheeps clothing.. will take more boost stock then the lima.