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Base model 2010 Ranger w/rear disc brakes


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The other day I saw a guy pull into a O'Reilleys auto parts & I noticed that it had plain Ranger badges No XL or XLT & rear disc brakes. I started to talk to the owner's son who was borrowing the truck. Asked about the engine & he didnt even no where the hood release was. Any how it was base model, even had the rubber floor mat & the 16V 2.3L 4 cyl
 
they should. overall its safer. less things to go wrong, more stopping power, its the better setup.
 
Rear disk brakes are standard on 2010 Rangers.
 
they should. overall its safer. less things to go wrong, more stopping power, its the better setup.

Ok, it's obviously time for my "Disc Vs drums theory lecture" again, so here goes:

Disc brakes do not offer "more stopping power",
to believe that they do requires complete ignorance of physics.

Here is a simple truth:
Brakes do not stop your truck, they stop the wheels from turning,
the TIRES then stop the truck.

Your brakes can only perform to the limit of the braking torque
your tires can generate.


If the small drum brakes will lock-up the wheels then bigger
brakes gain you nothing.

that all being said there are a few advantages to rear drums,
the "drogue effect" of servo actuated brakes where after applying the brake you an reduce pedal effort and get the rear drums to drag slightly and this can greatly aid stability when decending a grade in slippery weather.


BUT there is also the disadvantages, drum brakes are mechanically complicated and few people understand how they actually work.

The idea that it is NOT the wheel cylinder forcing the shoes
against the inside of the drum that applies the primary force
making the brakes work is beyond the understanding of most
people.

the wheel cylinder forces the smaller front shoe against the drum, the rotation of the drum "drags" the front shoe downwards and that movement "Cams" the larger rear show into hard contact with the drum, but since the top of the rear shoe is up against the anchor pin at the top of the backing plate it can't move... and once applied the rotation of the drum is providing most of the force applying the brakes.

With discs ALL of the application energy must come from your foot.

Yes, in a panic stop situation WHEN you have sufficient weight in the truck to keep them from simply locking (or ABS) Discs can stop you slightly better.

also if really long hills, towing a heavy trailer or repeated hard braking of any kind is involved discs are beter at disappating the heat generated, but in "light pressure" application (99.9% of useage) the servo actuated drums are actually better if the primary "modulation" of the brakes is an experienced foot.

And I HAVE PERSONALLY demonstrated that an experienced
foot CAN out perform ABS under sone circumstances.

PERSONALLY? As for Discs in general I want an explorer axle setup, and it isn't REALLY the discs I want... what I want is the NON-servo (two anchor point)internal drum parking brake that works in REVERSE.
I also want the bigger axle shafts, AND the pletiful supply of cheap axle shafts. (Now you'll understand why I don't want an FX4 axle with it's
"Zebra" axle shafts)

That is the real "downfall" of servo actuated drum brakes, that the rotation that applies them in one direction makes them far weaker in the other direction.

The 2010 Ranger's parking brake is operated by a cable actuated cam mechanism built into the caliper, and trust me even though technically
the discs appear less complicated than the drums with their shoes,
springs, levers and cables at leas that stuff you can look at and mabey come to understand, on that cable actuated mechanism built into the caliper is every bit as failure prone (typically they jam in the on position) as the
"complicated" drums, the primary difference is that on the caliper the only thing you can possibly do when it fails is say "**** me!" and go buy another (expen$ive) caliper.

No mechanical solution is perfect, everything has compromises.
Chosing one solution over another when you don't really understand
ALL the issues is going to lead you to making an uninformed decision.

Yeah, discs look "cool" but aren't necissarily the best solution to the engineering issues that many don't think all the way through....

All things in the balance Discs are probably better for most people, but not for the reasons they are prone to believe, because those beliefs
are based on misconceptions.

Lecture mode off.

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Discs are pushed hard as a feature since "everyone knows" the best race cars use them. Discs are Better on races cars for the simple reason they can dump heat far faster then the drum. And then tend not to lock up as much.

Thats it really. Are you pushing your brakes hard enough you need 15 inches of disc and have it drilled out? If you are on your ranger then I would suspect its not really a truck anymore =>.

And over the years of fixing honda after honda. the drums outlasted the front calipers for durability consistently. As a matter of fact the front calipers on hondas are a favorite spot to seize up.

But Disc's are Less likely to lock up when theres a real problem with them. drums have a tendency to lock up when they start to fail.

Which is why discs are on the front of most vehicles. Having a rear brake drum lock up isn't good. but you can deal with it without too much trouble . even at highway speeds.

But if its on the front you have a real problem.
 
Unlike disc brakes the drum brakes are not exposed so unless you come flying through a mud hole or water puddle chances are nothings gettin in there. where as a caliper is exposed and gets gunked up all the time.

Also generally there is a brake Bias, they try to make them 50/50 balanced but the front always gets more because the weight of the car shifts to the front and the rear is lights so there is less pressure on the rear brakes to be stopping the car.
 
Can I play devil's advocate for a sec here?

Why haven't we seen any road vehicles use eddy current brakes?

//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_current_brake

It seems to me that since they physically can't lock up, they would be somewhat useful in automotive applications. Roller coasters (such as Top Thrill Dragster and Kingda Ka) have been useing them becauase they're a fail-safe system. Why not cars or trucks?
 
wow...and is this the 7.5? how hard would it be to swap them over to an early 7.5
 
I've not seen a 2010 7.5 as of yet. All the ones I've looked at had the 8.8 with the new bracketry for the BS crap on it, outer tubes and the new brake flange. Of course, I've only seen about 4 2010's so far.
 
wow...and is this the 7.5?

Being a base four cylinder it SHOULD be a 7.5 unless they have started to get more generous handing out the 8.8... which I doubt.
 

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