A little gun based irony

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https://www.facebook.com/StagArmsLLC/posts/725062814197052


http://hotair.com/archives/2014/08/...or-self-defense-measure-he-took-14-years-ago/

So the guys in the first link want the guys in the second link to go audit other government agencies about missing guns.

The second link, after talking about a gun stolen from a political candidate's personal vehicle, 14 years ago, goes on to outline how those guys have the highest rate of gun loss by any government agency.

Irony, I think so.

 

[96firephoenix]

makes you wonder how much alcohol, tobacco, and explosives they've lost too...

 

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Did you read the second article? The one ATF agent had a machine gun stolen out of his truck.

You know, those little pieces of super-awesome that the general public hasn't been allowed to buy since 1986.

 

[96firephoenix]

Did you read the second article? The one ATF agent had a machine gun stolen out of his truck.

You know, those little pieces of super-awesome that the general public hasn't been allowed to buy since 1986.

Then again, there's the one who left his .357 in the storm sewer... didn't bother to report it until the news picked up on it.

Yes, I did read the second article.

And technically, you're still allowed to buy them, so long as they weren't made after 1986. I know plenty of guys that have machine guns.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Did you read the second article? The one ATF agent had a machine gun stolen out of his truck.

You know, those little pieces of super-awesome that the general public hasn't been allowed to buy since 1986.

They have been tightly controlled since the 30's. Yes you can own one but the paperwork and fees are substantial.

 

[Mac]

I was just at a gun show this week end and they had a couple for sale, several Thompsons. Way over my price range. Did buy a M1 Carbine just for the fun of it, been 50 years since I shot one last.
Dave

 

[Nic]

Well going back to the irony of that, thats our issue in our government. There are too many people, or agencies, in politics who point fingers, especially about firearm related topics, when they they have no idea what they are talking about!!!

 

[AllanD]

Anyone here ever hear the story about the Thompson submachine gun stolen by John Dillinger during his escape from Crown Point Indiana. the Thompson belonged to the police department there and was missing for 70 years until it was discovered in the FBI's weapons vault it has since been returned to the Crown Point PD, the fun thing it is a traceable and more importantly transferable NFA firearm and the PD there has already been offered over $1million for that historic firearm!

The FBI had denied knowledge of it's whereabouts for nearly 80 years

 

[AllanD]

They have been tightly controlled since the 30's. Yes you can own one but the paperwork and fees are substantial.

There have been no changes in "being allowed to own one" since 1935.

What happened in 1986 was that the law was changed to not allowing new ones to be made and in the time period between when the law was passed and when the law was signed into law the number of machine guns more than tripled!

 

[Will]

A semiauto is more effective than a full auto in the type of situation an individual would use a weapon like that. The 3-round burst function on the M16A2 and other weapons is better than full-auto on an assault weapon.

To be honest, its better to have the criminals armed with full-auto. The North Hollywood guys had full-auto weapons and killed 0 people in a 45 minute shootout. You can't aim a free-held automatic weapon. It's not really that dangerous to the public. It is uncontrollable and gets rid of the ammo quickly. A semi-auto gives you time to reacquire the target and do a lot more damage.

In my time (10 years) with the Marine Corps and the State Dept I was trained on the fully-auto M16a1 (which we used as a squad automatic weapon before the M249 SAW came out) the M16A2 (3-round burst only), plus the AC556 which is a full-auto Mini-14 and is totally uncontrollable on full-auto, and the Uzi--which is like holding a mailbox on a stick while a raccoon runs back and forth in it.

The need for full-auto in a rifle is a military need. It keeps heads down while you assault. It doesn't produce casualties. It's an intimidation tool. You will do way better with a semi-auto. That burst lifts the sights and makes you wait for the next time to sight in. And it doesn't take that many rounds before you can see the barrel glowing red though the holes in the hand guards. You will produce a lot more casualties with a semi-auto because you can get someone with every bullet.

A machine gun is a totally different thing. It's really an artillery piece used to control ground.

 

[pjtoledo]

A semiauto is more effective than a full auto in the type of situation an individual would use a weapon like that. The 3-round burst function on the M16A2 and other weapons is better than full-auto on an assault weapon.

To be honest, its better to have the criminals armed with full-auto. The North Hollywood guys had full-auto weapons and killed 0 people in a 45 minute shootout. You can't aim a free-held automatic weapon. It's not really that dangerous to the public. It is uncontrollable and gets rid of the ammo quickly. A semi-auto gives you time to reacquire the target and do a lot more damage.

In my time (10 years) with the Marine Corps and the State Dept I was trained on the fully-auto M16a1 (which we used as a squad automatic weapon before the M249 SAW came out) the M16A2 (3-round burst only), plus the AC556 which is a full-auto Mini-14 and is totally uncontrollable on full-auto, and the Uzi--which is like holding a mailbox on a stick while a raccoon runs back and forth in it.

The need for full-auto in a rifle is a military need. It keeps heads down while you assault. It doesn't produce casualties. It's an intimidation tool. You will do way better with a semi-auto. That burst lifts the sights and makes you wait for the next time to sight in. And it doesn't take that many rounds before you can see the barrel glowing red though the holes in the hand guards. You will produce a lot more casualties with a semi-auto because you can get someone with every bullet.

A machine gun is a totally different thing. It's really an artillery piece used to control ground.

Dude, you really stepped on some egos with that one

in boot camp they let us try full auto. produced a nice pattern starting low right and ending with a pissed off bird on the left.

 

[AllanD]

One term you often see in discussions about full auto full caliber arms
is the term "beaten zone" which is a way of characterizing the intentionally
Imprecise nature of fully automatic medium machine guns actually being
used as "artillery".

In some weapons this creates a random "cone of fire"

and some weapons that were highly effective in the hand of the troops
were not as well regarded by armchair experts...

Like the ww1 automatic weapon the "Lewis gun" which was the most produced machine gun of WW1.
and was used in ww2 by the Landing craft Coxwains so they could shoot back and in general was precise enough that if used by a skilled operator could shoot into the machine gun slits of enemy pill boxes...

In WW1 the Lewis-gun could actually be used as a long distance saw to cut structural members of enemy aircraft.

But because it fired from an open bolt it could not be synchronized which is why you mostly saw them used as defensive machine guns OR mounted on a track on the upper wing of the SE5A aircraft (this track allowed the gun to be brought down to allow changing the 90round drum magazine.

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