5.0 fuel injected engine swap

[Teddyzee]

Is it really worth the hassle of traceing down miles and miles of colorful speghetti to track down those inevitable wireing gremlins that happens everytime you try to wire something that wasnt supposed to be there?

Is it REALLY worth the extra money, time, and effort to initally get the thing running?

Now after these questions doesnt seem smarter, and better, and eaiser, and cheaper to hook up a fuel line, throttle cable, and choke cable and call it a day?

later,
dustin

No gremlins if you do it right. Just as easy to bungle a carb application. You still need the same number of start/run power circuits and grounds either way. Exactly the same process.
A Mustang based EFI wiring requires a crank/run source for ignition(1), a circuit from the starter relay to tell the ECU that the engine is cranking(2), a crank-only signal to the ignition(3), a power circuit for the O2 sensors(4), one or two circuits for the fuel pump (one is to signal the pump, some harnesses use a monitor signal back to the computer)(5,6), and the two circuits for the clutch pedal position switch(7,8).

May sound like a lot, but they are already in the truck, sitting conveniently in one connector by the brake booster. Eight splices. Then, of course , guages are one wire each if you want to run them (carb or EFI).

Its a coil spring front end. im just trying to find the best way to go on a newer ranger. obviosly the carbs are easier to drop in but the efi is more reliable. how do i find out what parts i can still use? its got a 2.5 in it now with a manual. can i still use the tranny or should i go c4? a friend was telling me i can use the motor and mounts out of a 2wd mountaineer, is that true? i dont care either way carb or efi. i dont kno much, i just kno i can do a 302 swap in a ranger. just trying to ask the profesionalls their opinion.lol

I'm only saying all of that to explain I feel that neither is easier, or better. 100% personal preference.

What you want is Ford 4.0 SOHC mounts, and make these brackets, or similar. all V8 Explorer/Mountaineers used the torsion bar suspension, their mounts won't work for you.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

No gremlins if you do it right. Just as easy to bungle a carb application. You still need the same number of start/run power circuits and grounds either way. Exactly the same process.
A Mustang based EFI wiring requires a crank/run source for ignition(1), a circuit from the starter relay to tell the ECU that the engine is cranking(2), a crank-only signal to the ignition(3), a power circuit for the O2 sensors(4), one or two circuits for the fuel pump (one is to signal the pump, some harnesses use a monitor signal back to the computer)(5,6), and the two circuits for the clutch pedal position switch(7,8).

May sound like a lot, but they are already in the truck, sitting conveniently in one connector by the brake booster. Eight splices. Then, of course , guages are one wire each if you want to run them (carb or EFI).

I'm only saying all of that to explain I feel that neither is easier, or better. 100% personal preference.

I am going carbed, but even then I still have to wire up the electric fuel pump as well. Going to use both a toggle switch and a inertia switch to kill the thing if I want to. I have to mount the pump somewhere, hook it up and run a new fuel line to the carb. I kinda cheated and wired my 2.8 for Duraspark so it will be plug and play when the V8 falls in, but that does take a little to do too.

Again, if my truck was set up for EFI I would have gone that route in a heartbeat.

I see people that royally screw up carbs and drag them into the shop day after day...

 

[GDAWGMX396]

No gremlins if you do it right. Just as easy to bungle a carb application. You still need the same number of start/run power circuits and grounds either way. Exactly the same process.
A Mustang based EFI wiring requires a crank/run source for ignition(1), a circuit from the starter relay to tell the ECU that the engine is cranking(2), a crank-only signal to the ignition(3), a power circuit for the O2 sensors(4), one or two circuits for the fuel pump (one is to signal the pump, some harnesses use a monitor signal back to the computer)(5,6), and the two circuits for the clutch pedal position switch(7,8).

May sound like a lot, but they are already in the truck, sitting conveniently in one connector by the brake booster. Eight splices. Then, of course , guages are one wire each if you want to run them (carb or EFI).




I'm only saying all of that to explain I feel that neither is easier, or better. 100% personal preference.

What you want is Ford 4.0 SOHC mounts, and make these brackets, or similar. all V8 Explorer/Mountaineers used the torsion bar suspension, their mounts won't work for you.

alright now that i know where to get the mounts, what motor and tranny should i use?

 

[mike732]

89-93 Mustang 5.0 with a little better heads and cam...

 

[GDAWGMX396]

89-93 Mustang 5.0 with a little better heads and cam...

awsome, thank you. should i use the same tranny in the mustang? Or can my manual tranny work with it?

 

[mike732]

Your Trans will not hold up long behind a 5.0, there are lots of options out there, do some searching in this site and deside what will work for your app the best..

 

[GDAWGMX396]

Your Trans will not hold up long behind a 5.0, there ar

e lots of options out there, do some searching in this site and deside what will work for your app the best..

K thanks for the help. My brother has a 93 ranger he's gonna do a carb 302 c4 tranny. Does the shifter part line up where the old stick shift was? And can u use the i4 throttle cable on a carb? And the vaccum hose goes from my power brakes to my intake on the 4 banger. How do I hook that up on a carb 302?

 

[mike732]

The shifter will not line up on the new trans, the brake hose hooks to the intake on any engine, and on my swap I used a cable out of a f150 v8...

 

[5.0]

I see people that royally screw up carbs and drag them into the shop day after day...

This is me lol, I don't know anything about carbs. The EFI makes the engine run right, but I have to make the carb run right, which I have no idea how to do.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

This is me lol, I don't know anything about carbs. The EFI makes the engine run right, but I have to make the carb run right, which I have no idea how to do.

It is two different things. If you didn't know anything about EFI you would probably struggle too.

 

[GDAWGMX396]

Your Trans will not hold up long behind a 5.0, there are lots of options out there, do some searching in this site and deside what will work for your app the best..

can i use a c4 tranny from a mustang? would it line up where the stock tranny stick would be?

 

[mike732]

With a c4 you can put the shifter anywhere you want.

 

[GDAWGMX396]

With a c4 you can put the shifter anywhere you want.

so if i wanted to i could put it where the stock shifter used to be on my a manual? sorry about all the questions just wanting to know if its really worth the time and money.

 

[GDAWGMX396]

so if i wanted to i could put it where the stock shifter used to be on my a manual? sorry about all the questions just wanting to know if its really worth the time and money.

Oh and one more thing... would a t5 tranny have the same length as my stock tranny? and any more info u may know about that would be greatly appreciated. My brother wants to know for his 93 ranger. its a 2.3 with a 5 speed 2wd. 4 inch lift with coil spacers.

 

[88Turbo]

Well im still thinking carbed after reading this thread for my ranger. EFI would be nice, but i dont plan on driving this in the winter at all, and its just something to be loud in. So carbed is deffently the way for me. And it is easier to hook up if you dont know a whole lot about efi systems.