3.3 kit questions

[rurouni20xx]

okay i have a 30 v6 thats toast, was looking to rebuild as 3.3, is this kit worth the money or should i consider another style engine? im looking for power w/o a turbo/super or nos as they are expensive, but im trying to find somebody that has done or seen the mod and want to know if theres a huge dif or if its just a waste of time/money as i could see a better increase in power from a dif engine. the reason i am considering this build is cuz i dont have to do any other modifications as far as changing wiring, transmission changes or messing w/ the wiring. if there wasnt much dif in the engine performance i will however consider doing another engine swap. another thing (that i will post in the tranny section) will the a4ld hold up to the added stress of the increased hp? ive read up that the a4ld has some strength issues as far as added hp applications are concerned. if the tranny wont hold up, im def doing a heart and leg transplant. no point of building up a motor if the tranny wont hold up. thanks for your time and consideration.

 

[Gotta_gofast]

If you are looking for more power out of a 3.0L and turbocharging or supercharging it is exceeding your budget there's no way you'll be able to build a 3.3L stroker. You could purchase a supercharger and have it dyno-tuned for the price of the stroker kit and machine shop costs to prep the block. (bore/hone, removing material on the block to fit the crankshaft, blueprinting, balancing, ect). I Think the only way a 3.3L stroker kit would be worth the money is IF you were running forced induction and needed a stronger more reliable rotating assembly.

Concerning your transmission. The A4LD is a poor performing transmission. The A4LD has a hard time holding its own even when a STOCK engine is abusing it. Look into a M5OD-R1 swap. You'll have the extra gear and the manual doesn't sap as much power from your crankshaft.

 

[88gt]

yea, switc to a 5 speed. for the 3.0 engine, youd be better off for the money putting a 4.0 in if you want a v6 still, if not consider a 5.0 or a 2.3t to make the power. those engines have a huge aftermarket following to make cheaper reliable power. the 3.0 has a small aftermarket and the money spent can be butter used elsewhere. so im with gotta go fast. look at the alternatives.

 

[4x4fun]

i did a full 60.10 10 full rebuild it only cost me about $2000, if its reliable, and nothing changed just take it put it in i think its a good option.

 

[rurouni20xx]

i see your options and it makes sense i was going to spend the money and have it machined but im going to have to do that myself as there are no machine shops or tuning centers much less dyno testers w/in an 80 mile radius. the forced induction option was limited and id have to piece that together myself thats why i didnt consider doing it. the kit was available for a decent price and i am capable of the milling myself, id prob have my heads sent off somewhere tho. will the tranny that your talking about take the beating of the built up engine, is a computer that runs my engine w/o the auto tranny avial cuz the computers are dif on standards and autos, and will it fit my 93 eec4 chassis and transfer case?

 

[Wicked_Sludge]

you dont want to boost the 3.0 because its too expensive/too much work...yet your not opposed to a complete engine swap which will likely require an entire donor vehicle? i think you should do a little more research on both turbos and engine swaps as you seem to have a slightly askewed perspective on both.

the 3.3 stroker kit itself would only provide a mild boost in performance. as Gotta_gofast said, the kit would only be worth it if you planned on a very high boost forced induction build (as the 3.3 kit is the only forged bottom end available for the 3.0).

 

[rurouni20xx]

simply trying to keep the headaches of boost engines out of my hair, have worked around them and such its kind of like a/c and power windows to me, just more shit to go wrong. just trying to stay n/a that way i just worry about n/a problems, not problems caused by boosting l8r on as i plan on keeping this vehicle a while and using it often. k.i.s.s. works for me (keep it simple shithead) i may reconsider the boost but right now im just sticking to n/a. if you have any recommendations on a turbo setup ill look at one, i like to keep an open mind just in case, just wanted to know what ppl thought b4 i spent the money on the kit rather than find out it didnt produce much power and could have just dropped a v8 or something else in instead for the same price. thanks for the feedback so far btw.

 

[Gotta_gofast]

Well, from a mathematics standpoint your looking at somewhere around 149 rwhp if you don't upgrade the flow of the cylinder heads, the intake, the exhaust and the fuel. And this figure is a highball.

 

[Wicked_Sludge]

for the price of the morana kit, you could swap in a decently built v-8 and make considerably more power than a n/a 3.3. i wouldnt waste my time and money on the 3.3 unless i was looking for at LEAST 20 lbs of boost.

that said, theres nothing unreliable about a properly setup turbo. look at vehicles that came from the factory with turbos....hundreds of thousands of miles arent uncommon with no major work. the turbo itself will likely outlast the engine....and as long as your engine is built to hold the boost it will have a long healthy life.

 

[Gotta_gofast]

Wicked, I disagree and agree with you, lol

I think I have around $8000 total in my V8 ranger. Probably $1000 of that is non-drivetrain related though. Although its possible to skimp out and drop in a used nasty SBF, your still under 200rwhp. And there's a LOT of other areas you need to concentrate on like the transmission and rear end. Cuz a built V8 won't stand a chance in a race if it doesn't have a good trans/rear to compliment it.

I do agree that turbochargers (if built and tuned right) will be very reliable. I think you'd have to do something really stupid to blow something up.

 

[Wicked_Sludge]

a 5.0 HO already makes 235HP. if you can find a donor for under $2K (and i sure hope you can find a wrecked 16 year old car for less than 2K), then you already have about 40% more power than a 3.3 stroker for less cash.

 

[rurouni20xx]

i see your points and im taking notes, i dont have much experience w/ turbos other than fixing the oil leaks and changing them out when they burn up from crappy oil or changing head gaskets when the blowoff doesnt blowoff. drivetrain strength/durability is def required, hence the reason why i asked if the tranny could take the stress. its already geared at 3.45, i just wanted more motor to pull the gears faster/wind out a lil quicker as i know i have the top speed. i planned on porting the engine fully and using high lifters (1.7:1) and a cam. run around 11 or 12:1 compression on the engine. i would do a big bore but i dont know how far over the block can go safely, but if i were to simply stroke it i would bore it .50 or 1.00 over if i could and go from there. if that doesnt produce around 180hp then id def boost at 9:1 or do a swap. if i can get 200 or 220hp out of the 30/33 id be happy, but if i can only get around 190 ill go to a dif motor. not looking for 10 second quarter miles, just something give the guys a run for their money and go damn that thing moves.

 

[Wicked_Sludge]

you arent getting 200 HP n/a out of a 3.0 or 3.3 on a street driven motor.

 

[rurouni20xx]

well what amount of boost is required to get around those numbers w/o nos?

 

[Wicked_Sludge]

depends on your engine. on a stock motor...around 6-7 PSI. on a worked-over 3.3, maybe 3-4 PSI.