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[Ranger44]

1). Cadillac Catera (Eletrical Gremlin Hellhole)
2). Chevy S-10
3). Camaro (82-92)
4). Dodge Neon
5). Kia, Hyundai anything (I admit they are now, starting to learn from their mistakes)

 

[red85]

1). Cadillac Catera (Eletrical Gremlin Hellhole)
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+1 forgot about that one. Anything Cadillac gives me fits when it's electrical problems.

 

[Potatoflinger]

So point out the parts that make a Ranger a real truck.

If you're referring to my post, what I meant (and should have said) was buy something that looks like a real truck. A ridgeline may be more capable than a ranger, but I think that they are ugly as sin (the same goes for avalanches). If they didn't have those stupid angled things that go from the top of the cab to the bed rails, I might feel differently about it.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

So point out the parts that make a Ranger a real truck.

I like your knome thing, that was original

The extra foot of bed on the shortbox trucks vs the Ridgeline is a nice advantage for a truck, and the extra two foot of bedspace is even nicer on a longbox truck. Of course, when with the smaller cab payload increases too. Strange though that according to the "build your truck" thing on Ford's website you can't get a longbox 4x4 anymore, or anything other than 3.55 gearing. Payload is still over "half a ton" at 1160 lbs and towing is 6k with a 2wd long box and a 4.0. I wonder if you could order a 4x4 contrary to what the website says though.

I use my truck for work, I don't really beat on it. The low bedsides are nice when unloading things that have moved around such as 50# feed sacks, and the 7' box is nice for hauling 8' fence posts, sure I can't close the gate but they don't stick out past the end of it.

For the offroaders out there, IFS Rangers are plenty expsensive to lift, Ridglines double that expense. And they don't have possibility of a bodylift for second different option.

They have a selectable locker that is good for 6mph at the wheels, the Torson is active whenever you might need it. The locker would have its advantages crawling out of something on a trail, but the Torson would be more practical for a dd traveling faster than 6mph.

100hp + tractors use a planetary gearset for a final drive at each drive wheel, they are by no means a weak design. The 5 speed auto is a pretty good transmission.

 

[Ranger Sport Honduras]

I did a compare between Ranger and Ridgeline. Seems you have to fully option an FX4 Ranger to get what a Ridgeline offers in base form. And once you do, the price is right up there. The only thing I see lacking in the Ridgeline is a low range. Of course, the F100 from '66-on didn't have low range either--it had a D21 single speed box.

So point out the parts that make a Ranger a real truck. I have both (a Pilot) and unless I were going to modify it, I would rather have the Ridgeline. I know how to beat on a truck. People talk about how they beat their truck. Mine has been over 3 times and even the roof is damaged. I've blown out about everything you can blow out--including a radius arm and axle beam. Mine also plows snow with a real steel blade. I wouldn't do that to a Ridgeline, but I would totally rely on it to pull a 5,000# trailer or carry 1,000# in the bed day in and out. And also get me along in the winter and even use it to haul firewood from up in the woods. These are big robust vehicles, not Civics.

this is TRS!!!!!! not honda lover club!! stop flaming the ranger, this is about the cars ppl dont like in their own opinion, if anyone doesnt likes the ridgeline then thats their opinion, if u like it, ok then, but stop making it like if its the ultimate truck, the thing is not a truck for some ppl cuz the box is not separated from the cab, as the american made real trucks, its like an imitation of an avalanche for me thats my opinion

 

[Jason]

Maybe he doesn't like Rangers anymore. That's HIS opinion.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

Since when did the F100 not offer a low range?

Every F100 4x4 ive ever seen had the same 2H 4H 4L box as the F150.

later,
Dustin

 

[Will]

I They have a selectable locker that is good for 6mph at the wheels, the Torson is active whenever you might need it.

It's 18mph. And better than a Torsen when it's not engaged. That's what the VTM4 is about. I can stand on the gas on the gravel drive and it will shoot right up without spinning. It never slips on an icy road and is great for sending my wife off with a carload of kids in the snow. It's big, heavy, powerful, no-brainer safe and she knows to floor it if it starts going off the road. Here's a true story.

I get a knock on my door. It's some girl about highschool age, or maybe early 20s. She said she slid off the road down around the curve. I go down there with a strap--it's a Tempo. I slide under the rear to try and find a sturdy place to hook on and notice an emblem on the rear that says something like 4WD. Never heard of it so I ask her if it's 4WD. She doesn't know. I take the keys and sit in the driver's seat looking around and there is is above my head--a damn 4wd button. I backed the car onto the road.

Anyway, no matter. The Honda auto is many times more reliable than the 5R55E, that was the point. And the countershaft design is a big part of it. Not because of the planet gearsets, but because it doesn't have the big seals in it that type of hydraulic tranny requires.

Dustin, Google Dana 21.

Sorry about defending the Honda. A Ranger is more of a real truck because it's a tough SOB. You weld on whatever you want, like an erector set. That's why I have one--or two actually. It's just that the Ridgeline/Pilot is one of my favorite platforms and I think you have to be pretty different from me to put it on your top 5 worst--so I argue.

I'll let it go now.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

I never heard of a dana 21.

All the 70's ones came with the NP 203/205 and the 80's the BW 1345 or whatever it is....i thought.

Im googling it now...

They didnt use them very long....
FORD/DANA MODEL 21
Type: Single-lever, single-speed
Used by: 1969-76 F-100 1/2-ton trucks.

Single-lever, single-speed
Used by: 1969-76 F-100 1/2-ton trucks.


Thats all i could find on them.

Either way...i dont consider the ridgeline a truck because it has IRS.

later,
Dustin

 

[Will]

Well, they used it from '66 until they ended the F100. I'm sorry about that. Did you know Ford made a pickup they called the unibody? That should horrify you. Did you know a main battle tank is a unibody?

HMMWV's are not trucks because they are IRS. A 10,000# GVWR shopping cart. It only has a GM 8.5" rear axle. That should piss you off. That our government would send troops to war with such a thing.

Trucks can haul things. That's the definition. Your definition needs work. My elderly Civic has an I-beam rear axle. Is it a truck? A gallon of milk in the back and it's bottoming out. Doesn't seem like a truck.

On the other hand we take out Pilot to Florida a couple times a year with 6-8 people in it, loaded to the gunwhales and a big box that slides into the receiver. Easily 1,500#-or2,000. And you don't notice it, even with the nasty IRS. Maybe this year, since I know my Civic is a truck, we can take it. I'll put my brother and sister-in-law and oldest son on the roof and we can drag the carrier and a bunch of suitcases with a rope.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

It's 18mph. And better than a Torsen when it's not engaged. That's what the VTM4 is about. I can stand on the gas on the gravel drive and it will shoot right up without spinning. It never slips on an icy road and is great for sending my wife off with a carload of kids in the snow. It's big, heavy, powerful, no-brainer safe and she knows to floor it if it starts going off the road. Here's a true story.

The article I read is kind of confusing, full rear lock ends at 6mph and transitions to the front before the VTM4 is switched off at 18mph... I think.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Ridgeline#Honda.27s_4WD_traction_system

My mom's '02 Explorer is a tank in the snow, with just a limited slip and automatic 4x4 you have to really TRY to get it to get to act up. Drive like a sane person and you will be fine, and it doesn't even have Advance-Trac.

A guy I used to work with brought in pictures of his '67? F-250 unibody. He said they were pretty rare because they rode rough having everything tied together with 3/4 ton springs. I don't know if it was a true unibody or more like a traditional SUV gone pickup, a big long body bolted on a frame.

 

[wrecking-crew]

Since when did the F100 not offer a low range?

Every F100 4x4 ive ever seen had the same 2H 4H 4L box as the F150.

later,
Dustin

the one 66 f250 i was looking at buying had high and low. didnt buy it cause i think the engine seized and there was some roof damage

 

[Shran]

I never heard of a dana 21.

All the 70's ones came with the NP 203/205 and the 80's the BW 1345 or whatever it is....i thought.

Im googling it now...

They didnt use them very long....
FORD/DANA MODEL 21
Type: Single-lever, single-speed
Used by: 1969-76 F-100 1/2-ton trucks.

Single-lever, single-speed
Used by: 1969-76 F-100 1/2-ton trucks.

F100s were kinda the oddball trucks...a bunch of them had Ford 8" rear axles too. I have seen a couple with the D21.

Regarding the old unibody trucks, they were the same thing as any other truck frame-wise but the box and cab were one piece.

 

[koda6966]

Am I the only one who burst out laughing when I read "Seating - 2 humans + two gnomes?"

 

[RangerFabWorks]

Am I the only one who burst out laughing when I read "Seating - 2 humans + two gnomes?"

i thought that was funny