4d55 turbo diesel info

[ericlerouge]

Eric: yeah ive heard they'll do 20psi and gauges are a must with any diesel everyone knows that so it goes without saying haha but im not the biggest fan of my 4.0 i grew up on diesels haha i just dont really like gassers

also i found out the both of the motors are 2.3l 4d55's he meant that the one that runs has the turbo off of it because he used it on something else i just miss understood him.

First, not everyone knows everything. I told you what i did cause i thought it was a good lead. i don't know what you know or don't know, and frankly, i don't really care. I told you, just because just the boost and egt gauge cost me 300$. Add that to your 600$. add another 100$ for the clutch and slave, another 150$ to upgrade the cooling system in your truck, another 80$ for new glow plugs, another 40$ for an oil filter, because, yeah they run for that much, a rebuild kit for the turbo is 85$, motor mounts? about 30$ if you can find the good ones. on your truck, you'll have to: move the crossmember an get your driveshafts modified, about 150$ Those engines sat there for how long? can you see,, ear one run? injector pump probably leaks if it was sitting there for a while. both trucks i had with that engine did. with those numbers i'm at over 1500$ and you still don't know if the engine runs or not.

Do yourself a favor and buy a compression gauge and check the compression on the engine. you just need to hook up a battery to the starter. (i know:you already knows)

When people are trying to help you the best they can, do you always laugh at them in the face?

 

[mason_411]

ive heard the motor run. and run great it did. i know the costs of all these things. i can work the google machine. gauges are no big deal bassically have them lying around. clutch and slave, got um but it wouldnt hurt to get new ones. i already said i have a radiator and intercooler so i dont need anything done to my cooling system. that turbo doesnt need rebuilt (almost no shaft play), wont be on there long anyways. drive shafts are easy friend of mine makes them and will do mine for free. injection pump im not sure if it does leak or not (never checked, didnt know they always went out then) i have two chance at it (two motors) i have no idea the price on a rebuild kit for one of those. ive said these things multiple times i wouldnt tell you guys the thing runs if it didnt.

and no i dont laugh at people who help me, i laugh at people who think because im 16 im incapable of doing these things. i laugh at people who "help" by telling me things i know. i know i dont know everything if i did i wouldnt have an account on here. you think youre talking to some incompetent kid who gets impulse ideas, does no research, and just messes with stuff until it kinda works but youre not. ive been working on cars and trucks especially diesels my entire life. no idea why youre getting all pissy i didnt insult you in any way.

 

[ericlerouge]

I call BS on the fact that you eared it runs. you told that one was smashed and the other blown.

I get all "pissy" at people that knows everything by googling. internet does contains ERRORS. And the fact that you know how to use a search function and claims you know a lot about those engines by taping 4d55 in the search box and vomiting bribs of informations you just read.

I get all "pissy" when i try to help people and they laugh at my face.

I get all "pissy" when a guy tells me that i judge his knowledge and the fact that he's 16. I DON'T KNOW YOU. You would have been 90 years old i would have told you the same advices. Advices that you really don't care for, cause you know it all, fine by me.

I'm no mechanic, i just started working on cars when i was your age. You may know a lot more than i do but i doubt it, really.

I'm just a guy having a conversation with another about a swap.

That beiing said, i don't see a point in debating endlessly about how you feel, or how i feel.

let's talk about this damned 4d55 we both like

 

[mason_411]

Alright man well i hope you know the advice is appreciated all around. i never meant to make it feel as i was laughing at your face just by typing "haha" haha. i do know you having done the swap know hell of a lot more than i do. i havent had the opportunity to get my hands into one of these goodies yet. just been piecing the little bits of info there is on the internet together. and i have heard it run. the guy im buying it off was gunna swap it into his yota so he obviously fired it for a short second before he committed to doing any work.

ALL OF THAT ASIDE! haha do you know where to get a rebuild kit for the pump? anywhere in the US? because im pretty sure you rebuilt yours right? i wish there was some p-pump type thing for these guys haha thatd be badass!

 

[bobbywalter]

eric, i did not recognize laughing in your face, looked like common recognition to being on the same page to me about the gauges?


i am glad the interweb was not around when i was 16.....hell 12. guys telling me how full of shit i was or incapable or how hard or impossible something was to do would have made me bitter....cause going around to shops etc looking for data to do carazy shit got me the same treatment on a small scale back then.

luckily many in my family specialized in prototype and development with the big three so forcing square pegs into round holes was normal course of action in my eyes.


regardless mason, these guys are not trying to beat you down, they were looking out for ya and making sure your being sound....but at 16 i would have taken it as a challenge.

get it done boy....or are you a girl

 

[ericlerouge]

Yeah... maybe i get annoyed by those ahah. I simply wanted to help the best i could, i don't judge anybody by his young age. I know how i was and how i got carried away back then (i still get carried away but a small voice called experience shows up sometimes) The things i'm telling mason are just the little experience i've got. like: being on foots because your car is dead and you're broke. things i recall not beiing fun.

Mason, i didn't rebuilt my engine because it doesn't need to, It's a strong runner. And i bought it for that reason. The swap is not done yet either if you have read my other post, i just found the receiver truck a couple weeks ago and it still snowing here (i work in god's garage) I got for 1000$ worth of parts and i didn't got around the injector pump or the turbo yet. both leaks a bit but it's not a show stopper.

My first task will be to build a portal crane, i have the material, in order to swap the engines. Doing that, i save 250$ that will go toward the truck. maybe a bit more lift, brake lines...



Your on your own finding a rebuild kit. BUT

Got a link for you

mitsubishilinks.com

you'll get the free downloadable version of the clymer for the ranger (including infos about both diesel engines) Enjoy reading it.

I truly hope you do the swap and that we can help out each other and anybody thinking about it.

 

[ericlerouge]

This was my first attempt at swapping one of these in a dodge raider. I had to sell my garage in order to buy a house and didn't have time or money back then to finish the swap. All the extra money and time going into renovations. sold it

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[jrpdash9]

Diesel swaps are always fun. Don't know to much about this diesel. We had a brand new on in the create not to long ago but never did anything with it and ended up selling it

 

[ericlerouge]

This is what's in my backyard today:

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And i plan on swapping it when the nice time comes back. I failed the first time. if everything goes smooth i'll be able to drive it this summer. It is an easy swap, as there is no fabrication and it's challenging me. These are 26 years old trucks from eastern canada. one is a rust bucket. the other is in great shape for here, frame, floors and body are rust free, (as close as they can be here)

I'm willing to help the best i can and i'm open to learn from others.

 

[ericlerouge]

ALL OF THAT ASIDE! haha do you know where to get a rebuild kit for the pump? anywhere in the US? because im pretty sure you rebuilt yours right? i wish there was some p-pump type thing for these guys haha thatd be badass![/QUOTE]


If your pump works properly but leaks from the top, an old mechanic i know told me he had a set of bushings machined by one of his friend. I never opened one of these so i don't have a clue where the bushing goes. If your patient, once my swap will be done i'll go up there and ask him about those. Maybe have a couple machined by my dad, who is a retired machinist.

What is a p-pump?

got that for you.

http://s999.photobucket.com/user/lz244/media/td04_Fdrawing.png.html

http://www.tuffpans.com/

http://dodgeram.org/tech/dsl/more_power/Power_ve.htm

 

[ericlerouge]

Diesel swaps are always fun. Don't know to much about this diesel. We had a brand new on in the create not to long ago but never did anything with it and ended up selling it

It's the rattling and the smell, Brings back memories and take you right there... Roaming the country side on an endless summer day... (It's been snowing and freezing and dark for the past 5 months, believe me, everybody here is tired of the winter)

Seriously, they're known to be good engines, some komatsu? (not sure) or kubota lift trucks still uses those (or the 4d56 dunno)

 

[mason_411]

If your pump works properly but leaks from the top, an old mechanic i know told me he had a set of bushings machined by one of his friend. I never opened one of these so i don't have a clue where the bushing goes. If your patient, once my swap will be done i'll go up there and ask him about those. Maybe have a couple machined by my dad, who is a retired machinist.

What is a p-pump?

got that for you.

http://s999.photobucket.com/user/lz244/media/td04_Fdrawing.png.html

http://www.tuffpans.com/

http://dodgeram.org/tech/dsl/more_power/Power_ve.htm

Sweet! thanks for the links! i was looking at those tuff pans a while ago... seems like a good investment to sturdy up that 145. yeah a bushing machined bushing would be perferct! if it leaks from there or even leaks at all.

A P-pump is basically a mechanical injection pump used on the 94'-98' 12v cummins motors . They also made a 4cyl version of the p-pump for the 4bt. They are very durable and the sky is virtually the limit with a P-pump. That is why almost everyone who runs heafty amounts of fuel goes to a P-pump on the cummins motors. you can manually control your timing, it is lubrciated 90% by engine oil instead of fuel, they are very strong/reliable, and can be tuned to almost no limits.

I was thinking finiding one that goes on a 4bt and seeing if it wouldnt work haha but thatd be a ways down the road

 

[mason_411]

also youre taking the 4d55 out of the black one and swapping to the blue one right?

 

[ericlerouge]

also youre taking the 4d55 out of the black one and swapping to the blue one right?

Other way around. The frame is almost cut in half by rust on one side on the green one (picture at night) not to mentionned the box is like a swiss cheese and the cab is sitting on the frame. I can see through the floor on the passenger side just like the flintstone's car.

The black one has a lot of bling bling i will throw away but she's a solid truck and already have a 3 inch body lift. I've bought used goodyear duratrac in 31. It's sitting on skinny winter tires right now.

Also: I've read on another forum about bigger turbos. One guy said, well i'll quote him, tell me what you think

For turbos a lack of boost is what causes high EGT's. Anything you do in an attempt to reduce turbo backpressure (i.e. bigger turbo or bigger exhaust housing) will reduce boost and increase EGT's.

To get EGT's down you need a smaller exhaust housing to spin the compressor harder and generate more boost.


??? I tought it was the other way around? Like i said before, i'm new to turbo diesel stuff, but generally, guys open things up to get a better flow, At least, on gassers.

You put a bigger turbo: It spools slower than a small one cause it needs more air to do so. But once it does you got a lot more air flowing and a lot more pressure. If you got a good p-flow and an unrestricted exhaust the limit sits on the volume of air your intake and valves can flow? And the pressure the head can handle (head gasket, head studs, etc?

How do i calculate the 4d55 head flow limits?

This is a bit what i was saying about the internet. I read a lot like you do, but once in a while i get conflictual informations that gets me thinkin... What if that one guy was right? So it's ok for a starting point but i'll have to do the maths by myself.

Here's the conversation i came across. And seems that the guy that i've quoted got a lot of posts on that forum. Not saying the number of posts means alot, but at the very least he's been around for a long time....

http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showthread.php?17865-4D55-Ranger-Tuning

 

[ericlerouge]

on www.mitsubishilinks.com you can download the 1991 pajero fsm. It's a 4d56 truck but gives a good idea,

You can hunt a 1983 to 1985 dodge d-50 fsm on ebay, they got all the infos about the 4d55. I've bought one when i first got my other swap going, but end up givin'it away to the guy that bought my project. Never give away your fsms, you never know...

Also, about what you said about your engine accessories, if the smashed up ones comes from the Ranger, i'd stay away from the accessories from the d50. they are v-belts driven and the alternator sits really low (no good if you go off road. The ranger is serpentine belt driven.