You don't see this everyday

[gribly]

I wasn't saying the sport trac was like the navajo...I was saying that the sport trac looks somewhat the same as the explorer sport...front end wise

Navajo's look NOTHING like a Sport Trac, not anywhere, not in the front end especially. Look at my profile, that is the only generation of Navajo made, they were the same as the 1st gen Explorer Sport, and only made from 1991-1994.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Navajo's look NOTHING like a Sport Trac, not anywhere, not in the front end especially. Look at my profile, that is the only generation of Navajo made, they were the same as the 1st gen Explorer Sport, and only made from 1991-1994.

I would say they look more different in the back end than the front end...

He said Explorer Sport (which with the 2nd generation ones they do) at any rate, not Navajo.

 

[03ranger30]

Navajo's look NOTHING like a Sport Trac, not anywhere, not in the front end especially. Look at my profile, that is the only generation of Navajo made, they were the same as the 1st gen Explorer Sport, and only made from 1991-1994.

That WAS NOT my point. I was referring to the fact that the sport trac looked like the Explorer sports...read what I posted next time.

 

[gribly]

That WAS NOT my point. I was referring to the fact that the sport trac looked like the Explorer sports...read what I posted next time.

I wasn't saying the sport trac was like the navajo...I was saying that the sport trac looks somewhat the same as the explorer sport...front end wise

I would say they look more different in the back end than the front end...

He said Explorer Sport (which with the 2nd generation ones they do) at any rate, not Navajo.

I was referring to his other post, too.

I have never seen a Navajo, but my mom used to have a sport trac which is almost the same thing

 

[Snoranger]

I wasn't saying the sport trac was like the navajo...I was saying that the sport trac looks somewhat the same as the explorer sport...front end wise

Thats exactly what you were saying.

I have never seen a Navajo, but my mom used to have a sport trac which is almost the same thing

 

[03ranger30]

Well then it came out wrong when I said it...I meant to say I have never seen a Navajo. My mom used to have a sport trac which was almost the same thing as an Explorer sport.

 

[Beanmachine7000]

No one will ever see one. They never made one. Unless somebody decides to put the front end and badges on a 4 door 1st gen Expo.

On a different note, this thread makes me want to get a 2 door Expo.

My point exactly lol...

I would love to own a 2 door Explorer! I think a 5 speed 4 door is more rare though. I've seen three of them ever.

I used to think so also, but lately I've been finding them everywhere (ok, I think I've found like 6 in the past month)... What I can't find is a 4-door 5-speed with manual t-case

 

[--weezl--]

I wasn't saying the sport trac was like the navajo...I was saying that the sport trac looks somewhat the same as the explorer sport...front end wise

That WAS NOT my point. I was referring to the fact that the sport trac looked like the Explorer sports...read what I posted next time.

i smell troll.... is your name Neo?

Ford recommending 26psi in them was pretty stupid too, combined with questionable tires IMO both parties got what they deserved because both were partially at fault.

Firestone is still very much in business, I have a set on my Ranger actually.

ehhhhhh it's hard to say... i have many times, driven with my bfg's at MUCH lower than 26psi in them... probably put 2000km on them at one point, at around 15psi... absolutely no issues...

was the design of the suspension the best possible? no... did it on it's own cause the vehicle to roll over significantly more than other vehicles? no, did under inflation of tires cause them to blow out? yes! were the tires defective? YES! was the suspension defective? arguable, but the fact that there was never a recall on the suspension and it's still on many vehicles that didn't roll (because of what was also compounded by driver error and inexperience) i would say no... could the suspension issue have compounded the severity of the accidents, in which tire blow outs were an issue? possibly...

when it's all said and done, it is the VEHICLE manufacture who states what the proper tire pressure for that vehicle is, NOT the tire manufacture, so ford was well within normal guidelines to determine that the first gen explorer should have tires inflated to 26psi... the only reason they have an issue over this, is because they changed their mind from the normal 30-35 range (forget exact pressure) to 26 AFTER the vehicle has hit the road... if it had been released from day 1 with a 26psi recommendation, it would have been 100% firestone's fault

additionally, it's not uncommon for where i live, for the temperature to fluctuate by 20 degrees celcius in a day... actually, as a matter of fact, it was -12 (10f) when i woke up today, and +9 (48f) on the drive home from work... That is a fluctuation of 38*, so lets round off and say 40... not taking into consideration the heat the tire generates... rule of thumb, for every 10*f, the pressure changes 1psi... so that's 4psi right there... if my truck's recommended pressure is 30, and i fill it on the way home from work... that means that potentially, by tomorrow morning, i'm at critical firestone temperatures!!

 

[Neo]

i smell troll.... is your name Neo?

Aww. Your compliments are to kind.

 

[RustedRanger]

I thought about this thread yesterday....I went to town and saw two different 2-door Explorers....I have seen another a couple times in the town near me.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

I was referring to his other post, too.

You should have quoted it then

idid under inflation of tires cause them to blow out? yes! were the tires defective? YES! was the suspension defective? arguable, but the fact that there was never a recall on the suspension and it's still on many vehicles that didn't roll (because of what was also compounded by driver error and inexperience) i would say no... could the suspension issue have compounded the severity of the accidents, in which tire blow outs were an issue? possibly...

when it's all said and done, it is the VEHICLE manufacture who states what the proper tire pressure for that vehicle is, NOT the tire manufacture, so ford was well within normal guidelines to determine that the first gen explorer should have tires inflated to 26psi... the only reason they have an issue over this, is because they changed their mind from the normal 30-35 range (forget exact pressure) to 26 AFTER the vehicle has hit the road... if it had been released from day 1 with a 26psi recommendation, it would have been 100% firestone's fault

The parents '94 had the 26PSI sticker on it, after the whole thing blew over and dad cashed in his three sets of tires with blown belts (he didn't know/care there was a sticker and always ran 35 anyway) we got a new sticker from Ford.

I think Fords screw up trying to make a truck ride better than a truck by dropping the air pressure in the tires and Firestone screwing up the tires compunded each other and blew the problem into a bigger problem than it would have been if only one party screwed up.

The suspension is quirky, dunno how to vote on that. There are a lot of TTB BII's and Explorers with a blown tire and caved roofs at JY's to this day.

 

[snake]

Weezl is right about driver inexperience. Putting aside the tire pressures and defective tires, how come some of those explorers rolled and others didn't once a tire blew? The brake pedal was the difference. Those who slammed on the brakes with three inflated tires caused the truck to begin to go sideways and then they would roll. Simple. Step on the brake, crash the truck. Let it roll down to a stop- no problem. I think the DMV should be sued for letting idiots have driver's licenses rather than Ford OR Firestone for their transgressions....

 

[--weezl--]

i think it was a combination of a LOT of factors

 

[Jay W]

am trying to justify NOT buying this and going SAS with 37s.
http://yakima.craigslist.org/cto/2849694453.html

 

[kemo]

I see a handful of these every day.