Where is Flight 370?

[JohnnyO]

I'm thinking suicidal Muslim pilot and it's two miles deep on the bottom of the ocean.

 

[RonD]

I'm thinking suicidal Muslim pilot and it's two miles deep on the bottom of the ocean.

Makes less sense because you would want people to know you are dead, people of that frame of mind either want help, someone to stop them, or want others to know they chose suicide, "I'll show them", I don't think the Muslim part matters, depression is universal.

Death benefit suicide, for a family to collect insurance from "accidental" death there has to be a body found or they have to wait 7 years, so it wouldn't be a "I am worth more dead" so family can collect insurance, plan.

If it was suicide or "death benefit" then there would be a crash on land, leaving no doubt.

 

[tmcalavy]

Now an aviation expert is saying if they find no debris SW of Australia, they should look in the opposite direction...that the 777 could have kept going beyond Indian airspace by flying in the radar shadow of another big commercial flight that was airborne at the same time and headed West. Really feel sorry for the families of those missing...their burial/funeral rituals hinge on having the body present...what a nightmare for them.

 

[Ozwynn]

Makes less sense because you would want people to know you are dead, people of that frame of mind either want help, someone to stop them, or want others to know they chose suicide, "I'll show them", I don't think the Muslim part matters, depression is universal.

Death benefit suicide, for a family to collect insurance from "accidental" death there has to be a body found or they have to wait 7 years, so it wouldn't be a "I am worth more dead" so family can collect insurance, plan.

If it was suicide or "death benefit" then there would be a crash on land, leaving no doubt.

There is a hole in your theory. Extreme Muslims on a suicide mission don't care if anybody knows what they did. They get credit for every dead infidel sent to hell and they get paradise complete with the service of 73 virgins for dying for the cause. However, some group would have taken credit for it by now if it was terrorist related...... unless they stole the plane for nefarious purposes.

 

[JohnnyO]

Makes less sense because you would want people to know you are dead, people of that frame of mind either want help, someone to stop them, or want others to know they chose suicide, "I'll show them", I don't think the Muslim part matters, depression is universal.

Death benefit suicide, for a family to collect insurance from "accidental" death there has to be a body found or they have to wait 7 years, so it wouldn't be a "I am worth more dead" so family can collect insurance, plan.

If it was suicide or "death benefit" then there would be a crash on land, leaving no doubt.

Yeah, but a few years ago there was another Muzzie pilot who fought off the co-pilot and drove his airliner into the Atlantic Ocean. It's not depression, it's called Sudden Jihadi Syndrome.

 

[1994Ranger$$$pit]

There should be a 2 week waiting period on Jihad syndrome.

 

[Ozwynn]

yep

 

[MastuhWaffles]

I think the fish got a new home.

 

[ab_slack]

Any one remember Helios Airways Flight 522?

Or Payne Stewart's ill fated flight?

In both cases cabin pressure was lost slowly, most would just fall asleep, those still awake would do odd things, not make good decisions.
I.e. "all right, good night", changing course for no good reason, shut off tracking stystem.

On the Helios flight, alerts(lights and bells) went off but flight crew was already effected so thought it was false alarms and turned them off.
Pilots last contact with ground was because of an alarm, the ground engineer asked him directly "Can you confirm that the pressurization panel is set to AUTO?" , pilot disregarded the question and replied "Where are my equipment cooling circuit breakers?", this was the last communication with the flight.
Had he checked the pressurization panel, it was on manual, and if he set it to AUTO, pressure would have been restored.

In both cases the aircraft flew until out of fuel and then crashed.


My theory is this(the above), or a similar type incident, is what happened to flight 370.
Sudden depressurization is not good but is better than slow, with sudden you still have your wits about you and can react with good judgement.
On Commercial aircraft at least one pilot is suppose to be wearing an oxygen mask when above 12,000ft, BUT, there is also a statement that the oxygen mask must be easy to put on and near by, not worn, so........for sudden depressurization not slow.

According to facts I have seen.
Flight took off at 12:30am local
Did the odd turn and "all right, good night" about an hour into the flight, so definitely above 20,000ft for enough time to start falling asleep and have poor judgement, like shutting off tracking equipment, maybe because alarms were going off, person in cockpit just shut everything off so he could sleep.

The airplane sent off a ping to a GSO(geosynchronous orbit) satellite every hour, last ping at 8am, airplane had 7 to 8 hours of fuel on board, so that fits with running out of fuel in the following hour before next ping was due at about 9am

Ron cites one of my top two theories with some additional detail I hadn't considered. And I recall another instance involving a Russian passenger aircraft as I recall where everyone went out except one of the flight attendants in the rear who had enough sense to get oxygen mask on. I forget all the circumstances but he couldn't do anything and he was seen by jets scrambled to investigate just before it ran out of fuel and crashed.

If it isn't that, my other guess is that it was hijacked and flown someplace. For all the doubts that there is very few placed it could have landed and that it be hard to hide, well who would have thunk these days aircraft could so easily disappear with modern tracking. If someone had a plan, prepared a location, or had changed beacon, I don't find it implausible.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

I haven't heard a theory yet that wasn't full of holes.

The pilot had been flying for that airline since '81... he should be well versed in the warning signs of losing pressure. Even then it was as if they were delibertly trying to fly under the radar.

Maybe he got the course wrong to turn around and was trying to lose altitude to get thicker air... if he was thinking that good you would think he would have got a mask on though. And told the tower something aside from "all right, good night" after he had initiated the turn and possible dive.

Also it is more of a problem with commuter jets that go through the pressure/depressure cycle several times a day. The bigger long haul jets don't get as many cycles so pressure problems are very uncommon on them. Like comparing a car with all city milage vs a car with all highway miles. A Southwest 737 that gets 4 trips in a day vs a 777 or 747 that might get one in every day at most makes a big difference.

Payne Stewarts Learjet had a history of pressure related problems and being a small jet it probably had more cycles than most long haul airliners... on top of probably not getting the maintenance either.

If anybody hasn't read it, the discription from wikipedia is spooky sad when the Stewart's plane itself basically realized it had a problem. How this does made it do that...

The Learjet's cockpit voice recorder (CVR), which was recovered from the wreckage, contained an audio recording of the last 30 minutes of the flight (it was an older model which only recorded 30 minutes of data; the aircraft was not equipped with a flight data recorder). At 1710:41Z, the Learjet's engines can be heard winding down, indicating that the plane's fuel had been exhausted. In addition, sounds of the stick shaker and autopilot disconnect can be heard (with the engines powered down, the autopilot would have attempted to maintain altitude, causing the plane's airspeed to bleed off until it approached stall speed, at which point the stick shaker would have automatically engaged to warn the pilot and the autopilot would have switched itself off).[

 

[naford]

There are warnings when you loose pressure in a commercial jet that activate long before the pilots would pass out. The pilots don't use the same air supply as the passengers. The passengers air supply doesn't last that long they expect the plane to decrease to below 10 thousand feet the point that you can breath without help. Even if there was rapid decompression the pilots would still have time to react, unless they weren't in the cockpit. I though they said something about Stewart's plane not seeing any bodies in the cockpit of the plane. I thought that a pilot could request more fuel be put on the plane beyond what is normal. So we really don't know how much fuel was on the plane. You would have to have to take what was left from the previous flights plus what was put in before this flight. There should be a record of how much fuel was put in at the airport.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

I though they said something about Stewart's plane not seeing any bodies in the cockpit of the plane.

Windows were iced over so they couldn't see in. Everybody that intercepted it commented on the dark opaque windows on both the cockpit and passenger cabin.

Given that the plane made a 40' crater when it hit I don't know how they would know where who was in the plane before the wreck.

 

[RonD]

Lack of oxygen in the air, or carbon monoxide in the air, isn't noticed by people, you simply start falling asleep or act oddly, even hallucinate.
Many "haunted houses" simply had bad flues, carbon monoxide levels would rise with windows closed, carbon monoxide bonds better with red blood cells, so people are getting less oxygen, it would cause them to hear noises or see things that are not there, or simply misinterpret what they are seeing and hearing, and it is real to them, no pills, no pot, no drinks, it is real, but.......it isn't.

Lack of oxygen effects different people in different ways, like drinking alcohol does, not everyone reacts the same way, main difference in lack of oxygen is that you don't know anything is wrong, when you drink you know it will have an effect, you can still make bad decisions though, lol.

It is the slow removal of oxygen or the addition of carbon monoxide, that make people confused, they don't know anything is wrong, they think they are doing the right things while they are doing them.
A person has no clue he is doing the wrong thing.

On the Greek flight they had the pilot on the radio, he had been shutting OFF alarms chasing down a problem that didn't even exist, he talked to ground crews and ignored their questions, he only wanted answers to his questions.
Toward the end of the flight the Co-pilot was seen slumped over in his seat and a fly attendant was seen moving along the aisle and then came into the cabin and sat in the pilots seat, and then waved to the military jet that was pacing the airliner trying to contact it.
Attendant didn't seem to even notice passed out co-pilot, a few minute later air craft ran out of fuel and crashed.

It is a very insidious issue for our brains, the lack of oxygen.

Sudden decompression is a different issue, you are aware of what is happening and can react with generally good judgement.

 

[tmcalavy]

Chinese satellite has spotted another bigger chunk of somethin near the other debris they've been looking for...the end may be near.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Lack of oxygen in the air, or carbon monoxide in the air, isn't noticed by people, you simply start falling asleep or act oddly, even hallucinate.
Many "haunted houses" simply had bad flues, carbon monoxide levels would rise with windows closed, carbon monoxide bonds better with red blood cells, so people are getting less oxygen, it would cause them to hear noises or see things that are not there, or simply misinterpret what they are seeing and hearing, and it is real to them, no pills, no pot, no drinks, it is real, but.......it isn't.

Lack of oxygen effects different people in different ways, like drinking alcohol does, not everyone reacts the same way, main difference in lack of oxygen is that you don't know anything is wrong, when you drink you know it will have an effect, you can still make bad decisions though, lol.

It is the slow removal of oxygen or the addition of carbon monoxide, that make people confused, they don't know anything is wrong, they think they are doing the right things while they are doing them.
A person has no clue he is doing the wrong thing.

On the Greek flight they had the pilot on the radio, he had been shutting OFF alarms chasing down a problem that didn't even exist, he talked to ground crews and ignored their questions, he only wanted answers to his questions.
Toward the end of the flight the Co-pilot was seen slumped over in his seat and a fly attendant was seen moving along the aisle and then came into the cabin and sat in the pilots seat, and then waved to the military jet that was pacing the airliner trying to contact it.
Attendant didn't seem to even notice passed out co-pilot, a few minute later air craft ran out of fuel and crashed.

It is a very insidious issue for our brains, the lack of oxygen.

Sudden decompression is a different issue, you are aware of what is happening and can react with generally good judgement.

They also investigaged a faulty door seal before that flight which required the pressurization system to be set to "manual" test on the ground without starting the engines and it was not set back to "auto" before the flight. It was missed on three seperate checklists before the plane departed.

The plane was at 12k feet when the alarms started going off so it wasn't terribly high up. I think an incompetant crew gets a lot of the credit for that one...