Where is Flight 370?

[85_Ranger4x4]

It is what I like to call NOP, Not Our Problem.

There were US citizens on that flight though.

 

[LilGreen]

Lol yup NOP. Canadian here

 

[RonD]

Yes, publicity stunt for Lost 2: the newbies...........
All the families are in on it, fake tears, deleted files and stolen passports will play a big part in the story line.

You simply can not buy this kind of publicity............



OK, all joking aside.
A two hard to explain things if they are true.
Computer caused plane to make a left turn, or it sent out a data burst saying it was making a left turn.

12 minutes later air traffic control routinely notified the flight it was leaving its air space.
Someone on the flight responded "all right, good night"

One of these is wrong, or flight was highjacked, which is doubtful.


Fishermen who routinely see commercial airliners at high altitude reported seeing an unusually low airliner that night when they got back home the next day, just mentioned it, they didn't tell authorities until news of the missing flight reached them.
They mentioned the lights on the aircraft were large so they knew it was very low, but that also means it had electrical power.

If there was a major system failure, communications and engine power lost, the pilot may have attempted his only option, a water landing.
Most remember the hudson river landing, amazing bit of flying.
Well if the pilot managed to do that, the ending may not have been as good.
The plane sank with all aboard, almost 0 debris or fuel lost to the surface.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

The inflatable slides double as life rafts, if he pulled off a Hudson style ditching that kept the plane intact they should have been able get at least some people off on those.

Also keep in mind that landing in the open sea would be very hard compared to the relative flat calm of an inland river... which was a miracle on its own.

Even if the thing splattered all over and everything foated if they have been looking at the wrong place... over a week later the debris is neither going to stay together or stay at the crash site. Needle in a haystack.

If they ran it out of fuel there will be no fuel slick (obviously) the small amount of oil in the two engines and hydraulics will slowly ooze out for years, at the bottom of the ocean make that nearly worthless for finding the plane.

It would have to have some electrical power to fly, the 777 is a very high tech aircraft. If the pilot kept the thing going for 7 hours after last contact with a dead glass cockpit he needs a medal. You can't ask for more than that, especially if he kept it in one piece when it went down. Running lights are on the wings, same as the engines... I doubt the engines will run without power.

I don't care what country it is, the 777 and commercial jets in general fly to and fro from just about every country, it is in everybody's best interest to find out what happened.

 

[96Indyram]

Anyone catch retired Gen. Tom McAlhaney (SP) on Hannity ? He seems to still have contacts in the military and intelligence areas. He has been saying all along that he agrees with Boeing that it landed in Pakistan. Tonight he made clear he couldn't say anymore except that we should hear more about that theory in the next 24 to 48 hours and if Pakistan did not come forward with what they know within 24 hours, they would be implicated in the crime. He did say our government knows a lot more than they are releasing for a variety of reasons.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/index.html

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Anyone catch retired Gen. Tom McAlhaney (SP) on Hannity ? He seems to still have contacts in the military and intelligence areas. He has been saying all along that he agrees with Boeing that it landed in Pakistan. Tonight he made clear he couldn't say anymore except that we should hear more about that theory in the next 24 to 48 hours and if Pakistan did not come forward with what they know within 24 hours, they would be implicated in the crime. He did say our government knows a lot more than they are releasing for a variety of reasons.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/index.html

Why steal a loaded jet and not brag about it, ransom it and the passengers or use it to otherwise make a statement?

That is a lot of work to gain a hot jet and a couple hundred witnesses unless the pilot did it on his own and they are trying to figure out what to do about the mess they are now in.

 

[96Indyram]

Why steal a loaded jet and not brag about it, ransom it and the passengers or use it to otherwise make a statement?

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I don't remember hearing any bragging before or on the day of 9-11-01....

possible scenario.......... let me get tinfoil hat.

Say Pakistan or Iran does have the jet. They fill the cargo hold full of explosives (dirty bomb nuke?) They fly the plane towards a target, lets say its Israel.

(Israel is on heightened alert currently because of this missing plane. because they aren't stupid).
The passengers are still alive and flies into Israel and then the death of the passengers is put on Israel's shoulders if they shoot down. Would China be enraged against Israel for killing 152 of their passengers?
If the plane is not shot down because of the hostages ( highly unlikely it woulden't)
What would the death toll be if they did a 9-11 style flight into jerusalem? ( not counting all the religious implications)
Don't forget the 2 Iranians with fake passports....Why were they IMMEDIATELY dismissed?

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

I don't remember hearing any bragging before or on the day of 9-11-01....

They didn't keep quiet for 2 weeks after the fact either...

A plane with no transponder will not get close to anything of much importance in a civilized world, don't know how up on things Isreal is but I think they do have an air force that could deal with a lumbering airliner. If they start the thing and the engines start pinging the satillites again the gig is up. Maybe they didn't know about that and that is why they are sitting on their hands now...

 

[adsm08]

Don't forget the 2 Iranians with fake passports....Why were they IMMEDIATELY dismissed?

Three reasons.

1) Not every person born in Iran is out to kill everyone in the western world.

2) Travel with fake or stolen passports in that part of the world is actually not that uncommon. The counterfeiter's equipment is often on par with or better than that used by the governments.

3) They were investigated and are believed to have been trying to reach Germany seeking political asylum, meaning they would not be likely candidates for attacking the west.

I'm sorry but if we start giving in to the urge to think that everyone with dark skin and middle-east heritage is out to kill us then the terrorists have won because we have given them what they want. They want us to be afraid of them, that's why they are called "Terrorists".

 

[96Indyram]

Three reasons.

1) Not every person born in Iran is out to kill everyone in the western world.

Never said or implied such a thing.

2) Travel with fake or stolen passports in that part of the world is actually not that uncommon. The counterfeiter's equipment is often on par with or better than that used by the governments.

Stolen passports was the reason I brought up the question. most of the time if a person has to use fake or stolen passports to travel their usually in trouble or wanted and trying to avoid detection.

3) They were investigated and are believed to have been trying to reach Germany seeking political asylum, meaning they would not be likely candidates for attacking the west.

It just seems strange to me they were dismissed so quickly...at least on the MSN.

I'm sorry but if we start giving in to the urge to think that everyone with dark skin and middle-east heritage is out to kill us then the terrorists have won because we have given them what they want. They want us to be afraid of them, that's why they are called "Terrorists".

What is sad is if it was the 2 Canadian or the 2 New Zealand passengers that had traveled with the stolen passports, that paragraph would not have been written.
I never suggested or alluded to that because the Passengers with the stolen passports were/are Iranian that they were "dark skin and of middle-east heritage and out to kill us". So please don't spin my question into that meaning. I would have asked that question regardless of what nationality they were.

 

[RonD]

Any one remember Helios Airways Flight 522?

Or Payne Stewart's ill fated flight?

In both cases cabin pressure was lost slowly, most would just fall asleep, those still awake would do odd things, not make good decisions.
I.e. "all right, good night", changing course for no good reason, shut off tracking stystem.

On the Helios flight, alerts(lights and bells) went off but flight crew was already effected so thought it was false alarms and turned them off.
Pilots last contact with ground was because of an alarm, the ground engineer asked him directly "Can you confirm that the pressurization panel is set to AUTO?" , pilot disregarded the question and replied "Where are my equipment cooling circuit breakers?", this was the last communication with the flight.
Had he checked the pressurization panel, it was on manual, and if he set it to AUTO, pressure would have been restored.

In both cases the aircraft flew until out of fuel and then crashed.


My theory is this(the above), or a similar type incident, is what happened to flight 370.
Sudden depressurization is not good but is better than slow, with sudden you still have your wits about you and can react with good judgement.
On Commercial aircraft at least one pilot is suppose to be wearing an oxygen mask when above 12,000ft, BUT, there is also a statement that the oxygen mask must be easy to put on and near by, not worn, so........for sudden depressurization not slow.

According to facts I have seen.
Flight took off at 12:30am local
Did the odd turn and "all right, good night" about an hour into the flight, so definitely above 20,000ft for enough time to start falling asleep and have poor judgement, like shutting off tracking equipment, maybe because alarms were going off, person in cockpit just shut everything off so he could sleep.

The airplane sent off a ping to a GSO(geosynchronous orbit) satellite every hour, last ping at 8am, airplane had 7 to 8 hours of fuel on board, so that fits with running out of fuel in the following hour before next ping was due at about 9am

 

[racsan]

my therory is this: its intact, on land somewhere awaiting a "suicide" misiion, it left way late into the night, passengers could have been sleeping, pilots could have had oxygen access whie climbing to a high altitude to suffocate the passengers, thereby no cell messages sent out. the last transmission of "goodnight" (or whatever it was) was done as it was about to leave airspace of a country, then the transponders were turned off, and there was no "sign in" to the next new airspace. weather this plane is meant to go to israel or whereever is uncertian, plus they would need to refuel somehow, if i did the math right its about 150 thousand to fully refuel a 777, cant exactly walk to sunoco with a 5 gallon can for jet fuel.... they will probly leave the bodies on board, it will make for mass confusion if this plane is used for a suicide mission, be alot of dna to go through....then again, it could be on the bottom of the ocean, never to be seen again....could be the bermuda triangle moved and mapquest didnt have the update....idk. but it is intresting....and chilling all at the same time.

 

[tmcalavy]

The aussies are checking on debris spotted by satellite 400 miles off their SW coast...go flyin' wallabees!

 

[hoosier1104]

There were US citizens on that flight though.

I stand by my previous post.

Sent from the front seat of my RX 8.

 

[RonD]

As far as the terrorism theory, why wouldn't they just charter(rent) a large air craft, vs the cost of landing and refueling.
Terrorism is a budget minded activity, 9/11 only cost them some flying lessons and some plane tickets.
Tim McVeigh, rented a truck, didn't steal it, just cheaper with less discovery risk.

The terrorism angle just doesn't make sense unless they use the aircraft immediately(within 4 hours) to attack a target, one of the main reasons to use an aircraft is the fuel load, so this flight wouldn't be targeted anyway, a longer flight plan would be a better target, same risk for more fuel.