Where is Flight 370?

[85_Ranger4x4]

haven't heard if the Chinese satellite debris amounted to anything, but it was way big....70X45, too big for a cargo container.

It was drifting several hundred miles a day and the nearest boat was 4 days away from its last position last I heard.

Wild goose chase.

 

[1994Ranger$$$pit]

They just announced based on new evidence that the flight had crashed into the Indian Ocean.
I would guess they got to the debris found on Chinese satellite.

 

[JohnnyO]

Found some info here:
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/03/123...inister-confirms-missing-plane-crashed-ocean/
My money is still on a suicidal Muslim jihadi pilot.

 

[MastuhWaffles]

Well if it did crash in the ocean we there would most likely be debris floating in the ocean, unless they made a smooth landing in which case the passengers should have escaped, but then they would be in an ocean surrounded by sharks so... My best guess is it crashed and the debris floated away farther out.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

They did find debris and confirmed it was part of the plane.

Way out in the middle of the Indian Ocean, probably not even many sharks out there.

 

[fastpakr]

Where are you seeing that they've found debris and confirmed a connection? Hadn't read that yet.

 

[1994Ranger$$$pit]

Here:
And all over the radio,TV.

http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malays...cean-140638663--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/24/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

 

[fastpakr]

Here:
And all over the radio,TV.

http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malays...cean-140638663--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/24/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Neither of those articles make any statements about finding debris and confirming a connection with the flight.

 

[Mac]

I've seen a lot of reports also saying debris found but no linking to a crash. There is a lot of junk floating out in the ocean, especially in the central Pacific, square miles of plastic bottles. One thing I had only heard once is that the Australian military was able to track it using their over the horizon radar and that's good for 1500 miles. Maybe that's why the search area moved to where it did. And as far as finding it with the pinger, only has a range of 5 miles so if it's deep, makes it even harder.
Dave
Dave

 

[RonD]

The "ping" the aircraft sends out every hour was run through other tests, doppler tests, this confirmed flight 370 was indeed heading south, no doubt on this.
Because there is a lack of any safe landing area when/where last "ping" was received the determination was made that all souls aboard were lost in a water landing/crash.

Why it ended up where it did is still a hot topic for debate.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

They found something conclusive enough to decide where it went and that nobody is coming back.

 

[1994Ranger$$$pit]

They found something conclusive enough to decide where it went and that nobody is coming back.

That is fact.
And generally when they say"flight ended in the South Indian Ocean" it doesn't mean they made a water landing.
The theory of a slow cabin pressure loss and subsequent crew and passengers losing conscientious looks plausible..

 

[fastpakr]

Not arguing any of that. It's clearly the most reasonable conclusion from the known info.

 

[ab_slack]

From what I gather from the reports, they refined loci of the final communication using some special analysis that pinpoints it in an area too far from any land in the India Ocean and are concluding that aircraft could not have moved enough after that to have reached any land and therefore has gone down in the India Ocean.

I don't know if that conclusion assumes that as long as in the air it would have kept transmitting thus the maximum distance from that point it could have traveled is based on the transmission interval. Or if it is based on with the total fuel and remaining range from that point. I think the transmission data went on for a period about as long as it had fuel for so there may be a double confirmation.

This all still fits the theory RonD put forward.

 

[RonD]

I think the known course change, and its direction to the closest long runway airport, means there was a major event on-board.

Could it have been hijackers?
The turn to the airport wouldn't suggest this for two reasons,
1. hijackers would have their pick of 360deg course change or no change at all(probably best bet); to pick the heading for the closest long runway airport would be unlikely but not 0 probability.
2. if hijack was underway but cabin was still secure, the course change would be understandable but no radio call after that wouldn't be

And then the 3rd reason of a no hijack would be if the hijackers did take control and shutdown data/radio, why no other course change and why no cell phone traffic while over land.
The hijacker(s) would have had 45 minutes to disable all passengers and crew in the passenger area after take-off, but I would think there would have to have been alot of hijackers to do 200+ people fast enough so that no calls or text were sent.
Maybe a gas was used..........really a stretch on that, I would image someone would notice a gas mask, lol.
Maybe just one or two hijackers, they go into the bathrooms and put gas masks on, release the gas and wait a few minutes, Hollywood style.
Not sure you could do that without raising alarms in the people effected last, people will be walking in the aisle when they collapse, others would notice that, at least to say "Hey, I want some FREE drinks too!"


Suicide, again we have the course change, why?
I guess the mind is a bit off to do the suicide thing, so we can't really decide by logic what someone would or wouldn't do, that's like trying to get in the mind of a school shooter, that forest is just too dark to see any reasons for "why?", at least any reason that would make any sense to us.
So pilot or co-pilot suicide is not off the table but would be a very very long shot indeed.

Terrorist/suicide, no, for sure not, that dog can't hunt in a run out of gas crash, so far away from point of doing it as to not be remotely plausible.
And "no Virgins for you", autopilot did the suicide..............
So no, doesn't make any sense.

My guess is still the lack of oxygen/CO theory, but possibly caused by an on-board fire now, effected passenger area first and then flight crew, when crew realized what was happening they headed for closest long runway airport, fire was contained but caused electrical issue in data/radio and crew succumb to lack of oxygen and CO shortly after course change.
No use reinventing the wheel on this, flights that have ended this way, running out of fuel without course changes, are pretty much caused by the same thing, everyone on board is incapacitated, autopilot was on.