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Where do these gaskets/O-Rings go?


cp2295

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I bought a conversion set for my 98 4.0, and obviously I know where the oil pan, timing chain, etc gaskets go. However there's a big red O-Ring about the same thickness as the RMS. There's also a green O-ring about 1.5-2" in diameter and a copper washer the same size. There's also a small black o ring about an inch in diameter.

The big red o ring I think is for the oil filter adapter (where it meets the block) looks relatively the same size. On the fel pro tag it says:
1 bypass valve o ring
1 oil cooler o ring
1 oil filter mounting (doesn't say o ring)

Doesn't address the copper washer.

That black o ring is the same diameter as the oil filter threads but I don't see why it would go there.

I am doing a 3.0-4.0 swap, so I have little reference to work off of. The engine is from a 98 4.0 auto tranny. I have a 4.0 manual tranny. Do I still have an oil cooler line? I don't see where any cooler line would go, this engine did not come with one, so I have really no idea...

Any help is really appreciated thanks!
 
I'm not finding any holes that are threaded that go into the crankcase. All the threaded holes bottom out before going through, and I thought oil cooler lines were only for auto tranny fluid, and since I don't have an auto tranny it seems like that o ring is not needed for me. Plus wouldn't there be 2 o rings anyways since you would need a feed and return line from the radiator? So actually 4 o rings sounds more correct. Let me know if I'm mistaken but again I had no idea this engine had an oil cooler/lines to the radiator..
 
The 4.0 doesn't have an oil cooler.

The red ring is likely for the oil filter adapter. IIRC the copper washer goes between the filter adapter bolt and the adapter, but I can't be sure without seeing it. I seem to remember by my filter adapter bolt also having an o-ring under the hat.

Do you have a camera, can get some pics so we can see what we are talking about?
 
I will post pics when I remove adapter, but right now I got a weird problem! I'm putting the front seal in the time chain cover, and I coated it with oil like the Haynes says, and it just slips in, no need for a socket and hammer or anything.. This doesn't feel right especially since I can just push it all the way through.. Anybody else had this issue? Should I coat the outside of the seal (where it touches the timing cover) with rtv and position it flush with the front of the timing cover?

Even my Haynes manual said id need a socket and hammer..
 
Also the new seal is the exact same size as the old one.. And the old one needed a hammer to punch out
 
Oh and btw adsm08 the o rings were self explanatory once I got in there and pulled the adapter off, couldn't figure out what the copper washer was for. No copper washer on that adapter anywhere. The green one went between the bolt and adapter, and the black one went in the middle of the bolt, don't know what for but I replaced it anyways.

Update on the front seal, I talked with my local parts guy super knowledgable, he says when he has that issue he turns the seal on its side and taps it making it slightly oblong, then rtv around the outside, i did that and the seal just kept slipping out by itself when I added slippery rtv to the equation.. Any other Ideas or should I make it even more oblong?

It seems as though maybe the cover is at fault or maybe it's the fel pro style that's screwing me over?
 

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