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What octane can I run in a stock 2.9l v6?


Ethanol can also bond with WATER, gasoline can not, all gasoline will have some water in it, in the winter this water can freeze in the fuel lines or filter and cause issues
So winter gasoline will have ethanol added which prevents the water from freezing

Water bonds with the ethanol in the ethanol mix, not the gasoline part of the mix.

So it isn't a perfect thing as the two seperate out with a little water added. Especially in a two stroke engine with oil mixed in. The alcohol goes to the bottom (where the filter/pickup is) and the oil stays with the gas floating on top.
 
This is why EDIS + knock sensors are far superior to distributor systems. The computer can push the timing to the very edge. Also allows higher compression engines to run on lower octane fuel since the computer just retards the timing when neccessary to prevent knocking.

My engine couldn't run to well on 87 octane without the knock sensor. And in my case using 93 octane can give a boost in power since it allows the computer to advance the timing more, but it can run happily on either.
86/87 2.9s ran a knock sensor.
 
What do you mean?
 
How the heak does a knock sensor work without EDIS? :icon_confused:
The ECM still controls the timing on a TFI system. Through the ignition module. So it can still advance/retard without moving the distributor physically.
 
Funny. I have a 98 3.0 that practically has to have 93 or I hear it talkin to me at full throttle. Been that way for many years. It'll do okay on 91, but it still talks to me at full tilt. On 93 it doesn't. Our premium here has no ethanol, and the 93 is from Shell and has no ethanol. What's even better, where I get my 93, it's 4 cents cheaper than another station a mile away selling 91. Loving it. I always use it anyways since both my bikes and obviously my Lightning are premium only vehicles. So, might as well use it in the Ranger as well.

Ethanol? Ran a 20% mix in my Ranger for a year just to see what would happen. Dindu nuffin. Not a bleeding thing. Ran great. Yeah, the check engine light was on. Piece of black tape fixed that. Otherwise, nothing. Ran awesome. Didn't ping either. I've run anywhere from 5 to 20 percent for years, Nothing. Oh yeah, I mix it myself. Gas station down the street has E85. I did the math using the tanks capacity. Two gallons of E85 equates to a 10% mix. One gallon is 5, three gallons 15, four gallons 20. Two weeks ago, I mixed up a 15 because of cold starting issues. Went to the station, put in three gallons of E85, then topped off with 91. After the first day, no more cold starting issues. Every once in a while, for reasons unknown, I have cold starting issues. Won't start on the first turn of the key. After three of four attempts, it finally catches, but staggers a bit for about 20 seconds or so before finally stabilizing. Put some ethanol in the tank, the problem goes away the next day. It's a miracle. So, I'll keep doing what works for me. I don't buy into the bullshit nonsense I always read about ethanol. I've never had a problem that was caused by ethanol, even at 20%.

New fuel pump in January 2017, and yes, the pressure is still within the 56 to 72 psi the manual calls for. It's currently at 64 psi idling. I don't believe ethanol caused the pump to go bad. In 2017 it was 19 years old and had over 150,000 miles on it. And when it went bad, the truck still ran. I was out hauling ass around my favorite set of curves (thanks to front and rear Hellwig anti-sway bars and fat tires), when the truck just started not accepting full throttle anymore. Drove it home, checked the fuel pressure, 20 pounds idling. Put a new pump in the next day. Still doing great three years later. It's now just shy of 166,000 miles.

The only premixed ethanol fuels in this state are 87. I simply cannot run that low an octane in my truck. It rattles something fierce, just putt-puttin around. The last time I even thoguht of trying it, I put some 89 in it. As I was pulling out of the station, it was already pinging, just lightly on the gas pulling out. I really just have no idea why my truck is like this. I've done the Sea Foam in the brake booster hose twice, dindu nuffin. I've changed the coil pack once, changed the plugs god knows how many times. Only thing done to the engine, is no muffler. Exhaust cut at the back of the converter, a bent "Y" welded to the converter, then two stainless tips sticking out in front of the tire. MAC cold air intake ( I know, lay off it). And a JET chip on the computer. Maybe it's this? Since it bumps the timing and fuel profiles. But, I've taken it off several times just to see if I could put in el cheapo gas. No dice. Still pings.

So, 93 it is. And big mixes of ethanol whenever those pesky cold start problems arise. Other than that, I've never changed a fuel line or gasket in 20 years owning the truck. Filter a lot of times, yes. And the pump once.
 
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Funny. I have a 98 3.0 that practically has to have 93 or I hear it talkin to me at full throttle. Been that way for many years. It'll do okay on 91, but it still talks to me at full tilt. On 93 it doesn't. Our premium here has no ethanol, and the 93 is from Shell and has no ethanol. What's even better, where I get my 93, it's 4 cents cheaper than another station a mile away selling 91.

Pull your heads and have them walnut shell blasted or soda blasted. You have black death happening in that 3.Slow. Only a matter of time before she starts handing you real problems.

Hell. I'll even soda blast em if you want to ship them.
 
Funny. I have a 98 3.0 that practically has to have 93 or I hear it talkin to me at full throttle. Been that way for many years. It'll do okay on 91, but it still talks to me at full tilt. On 93 it doesn't. Our premium here has no ethanol, and the 93 is from Shell and has no ethanol. What's even better, where I get my 93, it's 4 cents cheaper than another station a mile away selling 91. Loving it. I always use it anyways since both my bikes and obviously my Lightning are premium only vehicles. So, might as well use it in the Ranger as well.

Ethanol? Ran a 20% mix in my Ranger for a year just to see what would happen. Dindu nuffin. Not a bleeding thing. Ran great. Yeah, the check engine light was on. Piece of black tape fixed that. Otherwise, nothing. Ran awesome. Didn't ping either. I've run anywhere from 5 to 20 percent for years, Nothing. Oh yeah, I mix it myself. Gas station down the street has E85. I did the math using the tanks capacity. Two gallons of E85 equates to a 10% mix. One gallon is 5, three gallons 15, four gallons 20. Two weeks ago, I mixed up a 15 because of cold starting issues. Went to the station, put in three gallons of E85, then topped off with 91. After the first day, no more cold starting issues. Every once in a while, for reasons unknown, I have cold starting issues. Won't start on the first turn of the key. After three of four attempts, it finally catches, but staggers a bit for about 20 seconds or so before finally stabilizing. Put some ethanol in the tank, the problem goes away the next day. It's a miracle. So, I'll keep doing what works for me. I don't buy into the bullshit nonsense I always read about ethanol. I've never had a problem that was caused by ethanol, even at 20%.

New fuel pump in January 2017, and yes, the pressure is still within the 56 to 72 psi the manual calls for. It's currently at 64 psi idling. I don't believe ethanol caused the pump to go bad. In 2017 it was 19 years old and had over 150,000 miles on it. And when it went bad, the truck still ran. I was out hauling ass around my favorite set of curves (thanks to front and rear Hellwig anti-sway bars and fat tires), when the truck just started not accepting full throttle anymore. Drove it home, checked the fuel pressure, 20 pounds idling. Put a new pump in the next day. Still doing great three years later. It's now just shy of 166,000 miles.

The only premixed ethanol fuels in this state are 87. I simply cannot run that low an octane in my truck. It rattles something fierce, just putt-puttin around. The last time I even thoguht of trying it, I put some 89 in it. As I was pulling out of the station, it was already pinging, just lightly on the gas pulling out. I really just have no idea why my truck is like this. I've done the Sea Foam in the brake booster hose twice, dindu nuffin. I've changed the coil pack once, changed the plugs god knows how many times. Only thing done to the engine, is no muffler. Exhaust cut at the back of the converter, a bent "Y" welded to the converter, then two stainless tips sticking out in front of the tire. MAC cold air intake ( I know, lay off it). And a JET chip on the computer. Maybe it's this? Since it bumps the timing and fuel profiles. But, I've taken it off several times just to see if I could put in el cheapo gas. No dice. Still pings.

So, 93 it is. And big mixes of ethanol whenever those pesky cold start problems arise. Other than that, I've never changed a fuel line or gasket in 20 years owning the truck. Filter a lot of times, yes. And the pump once.

Reading that made my head hurt.

Your engine is full of carbon... that's why it wont run on 87.
 
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If your engine was designed for 87 octane and wont run on 87 octane something is wrong with it. Running 93 is just a bandaid.

That's like saying I have to run 50 weight oil instead of 20 weight or my engine burns too much oil. Your engine is f****ing broke, theres nothing wrong with the oil!

Carbon buildup raises the compression ratio since it is physically occupying space in the combustion chamber. It also heats to the point where it can act as a glow plug and ignite the fuel with no spark. So hard starting, unable to run low octane fuel, and dieseling are all common symptoms of a carbon problem.
 
If your engine was designed for 87 octane and wont run on 87 octane something is wrong with it. Running 93 is just a bandaid.

That's like saying I have to run 50 weight oil instead of 20 weight or my engine burns too much oil. Your engine is f****ing broke, theres nothing wrong with the oil!
Im not saying it isnt a band aid. But seeing as how ive done it now for 3 or 4 years and have not had any ill effects id say yay for band aids.

And yes, the oil thing is also a good point. But why would i tear down an otherwise fine running engine when i can just pour in thicker oil?
 
Im not saying it isnt a band aid. But seeing as how ive done it now for 3 or 4 years and have not had any ill effects id say yay for band aids.

And yes, the oil thing is also a good point. But why would i tear down an otherwise fine running engine when i can just pour in thicker oil?

Oh I get your point. I'm just stating it's not "normal". It doesn't "need" to run on 93 octane or 50 weight oil when its it good working order.
 
Oh I get your point. I'm just stating it's not "normal". It doesn't "need" to run on 93 octane or 50 weight oil when its it good working order.
The 400 was "designed" for 87 octane. But it was also designed to run leaded/unleaded and some did have issues running it on 87. Im gonna guess its ethanol related.
 
Yea ethanol really screwed things up. I have no clue why anyone would want to run ethanol. I go buy marine fuel for my mustang which is straight 100 octane 100% pure gasoline. In my truck I'm stuck with e10 because it's all you can get but it's new enough to be designed for it. Going over 10% ethanol on a non flex fuel engine is just asking for problems though. The computer can't compensate for too much ethanol so you'll end up with lean codes and if it's bad enough that the fuel trims peg to +20% your now really running too lean since the injectors cant pulse over 20%.

I run 87 in my truck 90% of the time. I run 93 when I've got a heavy load going through hill country. You can bring up the timing advance and knock sensor data and watch it pull timing out when you run it hard on 87, doesn't do it on 93. But driving around town normally it makes no difference whatsoever. And even then the difference is minimal. But without a knock sensor my engine would definitely have issues on 87 with heavy loads.
 
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Yea ethanol really screwed things up. I have no clue why anyone would want to run ethanol. I go buy marine fuel for my mustang which is straight 100 octane 100% pure gasoline. In my truck I'm stuck with e10 because it's all you can get but it's new enough to be designed for it. Going over 10% ethanol on a non flex fuel engine is just asking for problems though. The computer can't compensate for too much ethanol so you'll end up with lean codes and if it's bad enough that the fuel trims peg to +20% your now really running too lean since the injectors cant pulse over 20%.

Everything I have with a carb only gets straight 87. Efi stuff gets E10.

I did run E10 in my Ranger for pretty much the entire trail ride trip and it did not care. It will have several tanks of straight 87 thru it before it hibernates thru the winter.
 

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