Using manual 4 cyl 5 speed with 5.0

[Kedyn's Crow]

I have been reading and searching but I haven't been able to find an answer to this question. Can you use the 5 speed manual transmission that is bolted to the 2.3 in a 4x4 on a 302/5.0?

The Mustang 4 cylinder 5 speed transmission will bolt right to a 302 so they seem to be the same bolt pattern.

 

[red85]

NO. The little T5 you're looking at will last mere seconds behind even the mildest V8.

 

[Kedyn's Crow]

I'm not asking if it will last or not I am just asking to confirm if it will bolt up to the 5.0/302 or not.

Not to argue but in my 1985 Mustang with a 302 HO I currently have a 4 cylinder 5 speed and it has survived 2 summers of abuse so far.

 

[Gotta_gofast]

Nope. The M5OD-R1 with a 2.3L bellhousing will not bolt up I believe. Plus, that guy won't stand a chance. Look into an M5OD-R2 out of a full size truck.

 

[V8 Level II]

No, it will not bolt up to a 5.0 block.

 

[Iron Ranger]

What kind of 5-speed are you talking about?

If it's the M50D-R1(one piece bellhousing) then it will not bolt up to a 302.

The Toyos and the Mistubishis can have the bellhousings swapped out with a conversion set.

As far as I know, A T5 is a T5, if the 2.3 doesn't already bolt up to the 302, then a new T5 bellhousing should fix that problem.

You'd be better off getting a beefier tranny though. A 2wd mustang doesn't put nearly as much strain on a tranny as a locked out 4x4.

 

[281Ranger]

A T5 is a T5

That is so not true. The T-5s for the Ford 4 cyl, V6, and V8 are all different. The '94-'95 V8 T-5s are different than the earlier V8 T-5s. They have different input shaft lengths and pilot bushing requirements. There's also alot of internal differences. GM also used the T-5.

 

[pro94]

A t5 from a 5.0 was rated at 295 ftlbs of tq.
A t5 from a 2.3 was rated at 240 ftlbs of tq.

from tremec's web site.

 

[pud]

the 2.3L OHC and the 302 have the same BH bolt pattern. The 2.3L HSC in tempos etc dont share the same pattern.
Now depending what year 302 you have, some are real pansy like 135hp 180 ft/lbs..some are 250hp/325ft lbs

 

[Kedyn's Crow]

Thank you Pud, that is the info I was looking for. I'm not looking at swapping to a 302 for power but for reliability as I have had a lot minor issues with the 2.3 and everything seems to be expensive for them. I'm just looking at installing a low power, 2barrell 302 with Durspark II ignition, not a HO or anything crazy, just something from an early 80's f150, that will be nice and reliable.

 

[Beanmachine7000]

Thank you Pud, that is the info I was looking for. I'm not looking at swapping to a 302 for power but for reliability as I have had a lot minor issues with the 2.3 and everything seems to be expensive for them. I'm just looking at installing a low power, 2barrell 302 with Durspark II ignition, not a HO or anything crazy, just something from an early 80's f150, that will be nice and reliable.

If you're having issues with your 2.3, obviously you 're doing something wrong...

 

[Gotta_gofast]

If you're having issues with your 2.3, obviously you 're doing something wrong...

 

[Nipplechops]

I know of only one person that kept his Toyo Kogyo 5 speed behind a V8 in a ranger. Surprisingly enough the little clunk box lasted over a year behind a very moderate carbureted V8. Mind you that was on a two wheel drive street truck, not a 4x4 or a truck that sees 3000rpm+ clutch drops.

In the end it started making some pretty serious noise and he swapped it out in favour of an automatic. Last I heard the guy sold the truck, and that was some years ago.

 

[Iron Ranger]

That is so not true. The T-5s for the Ford 4 cyl, V6, and V8 are all different. The '94-'95 V8 T-5s are different than the earlier V8 T-5s. They have different input shaft lengths and pilot bushing requirements. There's also alot of internal differences. GM also used the T-5.

Sorry, I was talking about the bellhousing bolt pattern. I think it's the same on both models.

 

[blue83ranger]

like 281Ranger said the input shaft is a different length. I read in one of the mustang magazines i get that the 4 cyl. version has a longer in put shaft. so it will push on the 302s crank to much and cause the main thrust bearing to wear faster and possibly go out and it could also lock up the engine. Which is what happened with my brother and an '88 mustang he use to drive before we knew that.