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Thinking about a bike


This is crucial info. Definitely should have been given in the first post, heh. Either way, I would definitely start out with a twin. Like Jason said, an SV650 or EX500 would be a good choice for someone your size. Unless you're more of a cruiser kind of guy.

Yeah I probably should've said that earlier. I would love a cruiser like a sportster xl but thats a bit out of my price range so I'm basically looking for anything right now
 
the sv650 is a pretty damn fast bike thats what mine is and you can still get in trouble quick on it. i have a Kawasaki 454ltd cruiser that im trying to sell its a fun little bike 50mpg and can still do 100mph on it.. and im 6'1 250lbs
 
the sv650 is a pretty damn fast bike thats what mine is and you can still get in trouble quick on it. i have a Kawasaki 454ltd cruiser that im trying to sell its a fun little bike 50mpg and can still do 100mph on it.. and im 6'1 250lbs

The SV may be fast, when compared to cars, but that isn't the problem. ANY bike can go fast enough to get you in trouble. The problem is bikes with high, peaky power curves. What happens is a new rider makes a minor mistake on the throttle and a powerful bike can spin the rear tire, causing an instant low-side, if you are lucky. High-side if you're not. The smaller Ninjas and the SV650 do not have the power for a minor mistake on the throttle to bit you in the ass. Of course nothing is fool proof to a sufficiently skilled fool.
The point is to buy a bike that's power and delivery curve is forgiving of throttle input errors, the SV650 fits that bill. Luckily for those who have purchased an SV for their first mount it is competent enough to be entertaining for years after you start riding it.

I have had a few bikes over the last 16 years. OK, I have had too many. I currently ride a Suzuki Bandit 1200 streetfighter (heavily modded) and a 2005 Yamaha Midnight Warrior (mostly stock). I have a few friends that ride SV's. they won't keep up with me on the Bandit, but i am not losing them either. The great thing is the way that the little twin delivers the power. The spaced out pulses allow the wheel to regain traction even when you get on it WAY too hard.
 
my first bike was and is my honda shadow 750CC(it may not be a harley, but its defentitly more comfortable than a harley sportsrer which is in its class) , been a great bike so far, as for 250cc, the susuki (?) is what we had in our motorcycle coarse, its stretched out more than a rebel
 
its not the height or the fact shes a women. im 6'0'' 200lbs and i started on a ninja 250. and i do say start with a 250. a bike has alot of HP you miss a shift and drop down a gear or two on a 250 its revs and kinda gets squrrley on you. do that on a 600 and up that's a wheely. and not something you want to do on your second day on a bike. you have to learn how to "ride" then learn how to control the HP. and a 250 is cheap. and it will be your olny bike or first of many. i stopped riding cause i was tried of the other retards on the road trying to kill me all the time. but youll will drive your car better after you learn to ride a bike. i put 600 miles on my bike first bike and i never left my nabor hood. i just did slow riding (which is harder then going fast) turning starting on a hill ect. then took it out on the road. and if you tell some one "its your first bike and you got a 250 to learn to ride it saftly before you get a high HP bike" youll never get your balls busted for having a 250.

Its not the height or the fact shes a woman that wasn't my point. Its the fact that she is an 50 year old woman that weights probably 90 with no experience and she got a V-Star 650cc for her first bike and still hasn't managed to kill herself, props. Although of course she has had her fair share of incidents(crashes) that could've been avoided by her being more knowledgeable of how the clutch works. I have nothing against the 250cc, but one thing I know because I'am one 2 months into owning a 250cc after getting used to the underpowered motor your going to want some balls. The V-Star 650cc is not going to loop out or do some dumb shit if you have learned the way the motorcycle shifts and performs. :icon_cheers:
 
well i work at a jap bike shop and have worked on all six major major jap brands, two or the italians, a beamer and a few harleys. the rebel is what they use on training courses around here, im 5'9'' and i dont like the fact i have to put my leg on the other side of the bars to turn, and its a bicycle w/ a motor in it, itll beat the hell out of you. sv650 is entirely too much power for a beginner, it has more torque being a vtwin than a cbr600rr, and almost as much hp, not a good idea. ex250 (ninja 250) isnt a bad starter, just slow as hell and has the same bicycle w/ motor in it properties as a rebel. 250 virago is the same way, basically they are small ppl commuters and just a hair better than a 125cc scooter. dual purpose bikes arent that bad, ive rode some and they are nice. 650l honda is too tall but you may like the height due to your height, but still a lot of power. the smaller options (230L honda, xt250 and tw200 yamaha) are pegged out doing 55-60, 65 wide open, good for trails and city commutes, not interstate or other travel. drz400, good balance of power and speed is better for street but may be a lil torquey for a beginner. the xvs650 vstar is a good bike, and a vt600 vlx is as well. good balance of torque, speed and size plus reliability. the vstar may b a 650 but the torque number is real low which is good for beginners, just the clutch release is towards the end and a lil rpm is required for takeoff. honda vt600 is good for all around takeoff and performance, may be small but does a good job. vt750 is just a small stepup but a good one in my opinion a few more miles down the road. i dont really recommend the xvs1100 cuz of oil filter placement, unless you get the 300 dollar relocation kit, oil filter is behind the front header pipe, PITA. kawy ex500 is a good bike, not near the performance of its big brother the zx636, but good for around town and interstate romps. suzuki katana 500 or gs500 is about the same, 750 is a lil too much tho. your starter bike prob isnt going to be a bmw or a 690 duke ktm, they have more power output than an sv650, and aprilias are just expensive. ducati i think is out too for the price, 883 harley, not bad but still high. if you accidently drop the clutch it wont stall out as easy as the lower torque japs, but at the same time you have to throw some more weight around as we all know american iron has some weight to it. dont try to step into a 1200 even if you find one dirt cheap somewhere, not a good idea. i still wish i had my old xs500b, but thats a long story. in other words the 250cc bikes arent made as well as they used to be, and the dual purpose 250s dont go that fast, the exception to this is the new wr250r or wr250x, which will do the 80s and feel pretty good, that would be my recommendation for a dual purpose besides the drz400. sport style 500cc are good twin cylinders and cruisers you should look around at 600/650cc. the vn800 was a good starter but had a fair amount of reliability issues (cooling problems) and the 900 isnt bad but thats something to step up to. the suzuki 800 follows the path of the 900 kawy. hope that helps you out. remember this, the older the small bore bike, the more power it has, an 86 vt750 had more power than a current vt1100, had to step the bikes down for emissions, thus allowing larger bore cruisers to create the power they had out of larger displacements. some bikes however, 86 rebels and 90s ex/gz250s, are the same bike today as they were that many yrs ago.
 
well i work at a jap bike shop and have worked on all six major major jap brands, two or the italians, a beamer and a few harleys. the rebel is what they use on training courses around here, im 5'9'' and i dont like the fact i have to put my leg on the other side of the bars to turn, and its a bicycle w/ a motor in it, itll beat the hell out of you. sv650 is entirely too much power for a beginner, it has more torque being a vtwin than a cbr600rr, and almost as much hp, not a good idea. ex250 (ninja 250) isnt a bad starter, just slow as hell and has the same bicycle w/ motor in it properties as a rebel. 250 virago is the same way, basically they are small ppl commuters and just a hair better than a 125cc scooter. dual purpose bikes arent that bad, ive rode some and they are nice. 650l honda is too tall but you may like the height due to your height, but still a lot of power. the smaller options (230L honda, xt250 and tw200 yamaha) are pegged out doing 55-60, 65 wide open, good for trails and city commutes, not interstate or other travel. drz400, good balance of power and speed is better for street but may be a lil torquey for a beginner. the xvs650 vstar is a good bike, and a vt600 vlx is as well. good balance of torque, speed and size plus reliability. the vstar may b a 650 but the torque number is real low which is good for beginners, just the clutch release is towards the end and a lil rpm is required for takeoff. honda vt600 is good for all around takeoff and performance, may be small but does a good job. vt750 is just a small stepup but a good one in my opinion a few more miles down the road. i dont really recommend the xvs1100 cuz of oil filter placement, unless you get the 300 dollar relocation kit, oil filter is behind the front header pipe, PITA. kawy ex500 is a good bike, not near the performance of its big brother the zx636, but good for around town and interstate romps. suzuki katana 500 or gs500 is about the same, 750 is a lil too much tho. your starter bike prob isnt going to be a bmw or a 690 duke ktm, they have more power output than an sv650, and aprilias are just expensive. ducati i think is out too for the price, 883 harley, not bad but still high. if you accidently drop the clutch it wont stall out as easy as the lower torque japs, but at the same time you have to throw some more weight around as we all know american iron has some weight to it. dont try to step into a 1200 even if you find one dirt cheap somewhere, not a good idea. i still wish i had my old xs500b, but thats a long story. in other words the 250cc bikes arent made as well as they used to be, and the dual purpose 250s dont go that fast, the exception to this is the new wr250r or wr250x, which will do the 80s and feel pretty good, that would be my recommendation for a dual purpose besides the drz400. sport style 500cc are good twin cylinders and cruisers you should look around at 600/650cc. the vn800 was a good starter but had a fair amount of reliability issues (cooling problems) and the 900 isnt bad but thats something to step up to. the suzuki 800 follows the path of the 900 kawy. hope that helps you out. remember this, the older the small bore bike, the more power it has, an 86 vt750 had more power than a current vt1100, had to step the bikes down for emissions, thus allowing larger bore cruisers to create the power they had out of larger displacements. some bikes however, 86 rebels and 90s ex/gz250s, are the same bike today as they were that many yrs ago.




holy sh&t looking at that got me cross eyed
 
sorry just wanted to do an indepth overview to help the guy out. i know i passed english w/ a C in hs but i made it...lol i did however, grad votech w/ a 3.8! boy do i have my priorities in order... damn tci ignition systems ruined my 4.0...
 
sorry just wanted to do an indepth overview to help the guy out. i know i passed english w/ a C in hs but i made it...lol i did however, grad votech w/ a 3.8! boy do i have my priorities in order... damn tci ignition systems ruined my 4.0...

in depth it was lol..thanks. theres no way ill remember all that but ill be sure to save it somewhere
 
...snipped.... sv650 is entirely too much power for a beginner, it has more torque being a vtwin than a cbr600rr, and almost as much hp, not a good idea...snipped...

This is so far from accurate I am not sure where to start.

Suzuki SV650 ('04) 73.5 @ 8750 HP 47.1 @ 7250 TRQ

Honda CBR600RR ('06) 105.6 @ 13,250 HP 48.8 @ 10,750 TRQ

This issue is this. The CBR600RR and all bikes like it are very peaky in the production of power. The SV is not. Not to mention the SV's firing makes it so the engine is producing zero power more than it is producing power. In the event of a rear wheel spin the rider will have much more time to respond to the event without stepping the rear out to far to recover. I promise you I know all these bikes very well. I have ridden them all and owned many of them as well. I put about 22k on the SV and used it for around 25-30 trackdays. I put 18k on the RR and used it for 15 or so trackdays. The SV is no where near as powerful as the CBR.

Another thing to look at that makes the race replica's bad that doesn't apply to the SV is steering geometry. The closer the front end is to vertical, the more responsive the handling. Responsive handling on a motorcycle is achieved through a lack of stability. The RR's from any manufacturer are raked much steeper than an SV. The numbers on an SV seem steep compared to a cruiser but they aren't. A few degrees can be the difference from a stable bike to a happy tank-slapper.

Next thing is riding position. If you want the best control, find a bike that positions your feet under your ass and also has your elbows above your wrists while riding. The cruiser riding position is about as bad as you can get int eh control department.

If the OP has any questions he would like answered, PM me. I have owned nearly 30 motorcycles and I ride about 10k miles a year on the street. I enjoy the "occasional" trackday as well. I know these things. You can also check out my forum, www.sportriders.org and ask any questions you have about starter bikes.
 
you are correct about the comparison there is no arguement there, but what im getting at is for somebody w/ no saddle time an sv650 is too much, and i know what you mean about steering geometry, im a silver cert yamaha tech. u by far have alot more riding experience than i, just simply stating that its too much for a beginner. the torque number being around the same even tho its at a dif rpm is still an issue as far as initial takeoff is concerned for a beginning rider. they raked the sv and made it a sport touring bike, and its even classified as such for insurance purposes, much like a toned down yzf-r6 to fz6 specs. another example of this is the 600rr to 600f, similar engine just toned down and ergonomic/styling changed. you want an rr spec sv, get the original tl1000r. basically saying the bikes may not be anything close, but its still too much for a beginning rider as far as sport style bikes are concerned. yes the sport tourers are dif made and arent the full rr model, but still are designed to hang an apex in similar manner and speed, just designed for better straightline and a lil less aggressive engines.
 
I have a Kawi KLR 650 and I love it! Very forgiving bike to ride, flat torque band. Kind of tall though. Parts are all over fleabay. Pretty hard bike to break! Still I find it comfortable on long rides (as long as you do something about the stock seat).
 
^ dude are you trying to KILL the guy on his first bike? Yes I agree a KLR 650 is about as good as you can get on a DS, but tooooo much bike for his first time. Try a DRZ400 to start with. Check out Trailsharks.com
 

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