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[modelageek]

A PHD in Neuroscience with out a chemistry back ground gets you about $40,000 a year,

This Statement doesn't pass the sniff test!!!

 

[Ozwynn]

I think the original point got missed ........ the Foreign Gov'ments pay for those PHDs that we are competing against. Plus, with money for school becoming easier to get, tuition prices are getting out of hand and the quality of education suffers......

I didn't say the 220,000 wasn't worth it, merely pointing out the cost..... although I'm getting burned out with it, and I am not the one in college.......

 

[Ozwynn]

This Statement doesn't pass the sniff test!!!

oh yeah...... last time I checked there was 4 job openings that required a PHD in neuroscience that did not require a back ground in chemistry.....

Jobs that are payed for by grant money (IE theoretical physics) do not pay that well.

PHD in neuroscience with a physics back ground is not in high demand.

she could always be a store manager for Walmart and start at 120K a year.

 

[Spitfire1975]

The people I know working for Microsoft, Avanade and HP didn't have their degrees subsidized one penny. Their families paid for it. But none of them went to a public school in Mexico. Then again it is not the public schools these companies are primarily recruiting from.

 

[Spitfire1975]

"Jobs that are payed for by grant money..."

yeah....I can see that.

 

[modelageek]

I think the original point got missed ........ the Foreign Gov'ments pay for those PHDs that we are competing against.

The Foreign governments are not paying for the tuition. The citizens of those country pay the government and the government decides who gets educated. A lot of those Country's have a "caste system" . We don't have a caste system in the US. You are allowed to become what you want. The president of the United states is a African-American who was born with no inherited wealth or connections.

 

[Ozwynn]

The Foreign governments are not paying for the tuition. The citizens of those country pay the government and the government decides who gets educated. A lot of those Country's have a "caste system" . We don't have a caste system in the US. You are allowed to become what you want. The president of the United states is a African-American who was born with no inherited wealth or connections.

this is not actually worth my time to respond.

I am well aware of what our president is....... and how he got there. I am well aware that in this country you can be what ever you want to be .... I am well aware of what a caste system is.

I WAS MERELY POINTING OUT THE FRICKING COST ASSOSIATED WITH THOSE DEGREES IS A DETERANT TO OBTAINING THEM because unless you become a lawyer, doctor, or politician you will be paying on that education for 30 years..... and not everybody with a PHD collects a big paycheck. I live in a college town and know alot of PHDs ...... the average for a prof here at this school is about 50K a year..... not hardly worth it for the amount of time it takes to get the degree.

and allot of foreign government do supplement the cost ..... as in most socialist european countries...... the less money you are born with, the more of your tuition they cover..........I am also relatively sure that certain muslem countries will subsidize the cost of an advanced degree for certain types of people...... point is the PHDs that are mentioned as being imported for microsoft don't have 10 billion dollars in financial aid to pay back.

 

[Spitfire1975]

Never said the microsoft imports were PhD's, although some of them may be. I said companies such as microsoft look elsewhere because they cannot find QUALIFIED homegrown employees. In other words, other countries are producing, for one reason or another, as a GENERAL statement better prepared designers, engineers, programmers, etc... than this country is. Doesn't mean that your brilliant cousin who went to Harvard isn't prepared. And if you want a degree you can get a degree. Just depends how badly you don't want to be left behind.

 

[modelageek]

this is not actually worth my time to respond.

I am well aware of what our president is....... and how he got there. I am well aware that in this country you can be what ever you want to be .... I am well aware of what a caste system is.

I WAS MERELY POINTING OUT THE FRICKING COST ASSOSIATED WITH THOSE DEGREES IS A DETERANT TO OBTAINING THEM because unless you become a lawyer, doctor, or politician you will be paying on that education for 30 years..... and not everybody with a PHD collects a big paycheck. I live in a college town and know alot of PHDs ...... the average for a prof here at this school is about 50K a year..... not hardly worth it for the amount of time it takes to get the degree.

and allot of foreign government do supplement the cost ..... as in most socialist european countries...... the less money you are born with, the more of your tuition they cover..........I am also relatively sure that certain muslem countries will subsidize the cost of an advanced degree for certain types of people...... point is the PHDs that are mentioned as being imported for microsoft don't have 10 billion dollars in financial aid to pay back.

Maybe I might we wrong with this statement because this media is sometimes difficult to clearly communicate

I feel like a bunch of people on this thread are whining a little to much. people working at entry levels job,s people going to college for their masters or phds. I feel like everyone is complaining. if you want to change what you are doing, if you want more money, put a plan together and make it happen. I bet everyone here knows someone like themselves that accomplished what ever there goal was. I don't think anyone should be whining about it. if you want to get a masters in Education. great, just realize you are not going to make a lot of money by teaching alone. If someone whose goal is to make money there a lot of ways to do it and if you are capable of getting a masters or phd and you want to make money. get the degree in a field that you can capitalize on. My pet peeve is Teachers whining. In my state you need to have a Masters to teach long term. That means you are pretty smart. if you want to make money dont be a teacher if you are passionate about teaching great but you will not make a lot of money just teaching.......I am sure I will get some people screaming at me.........I'm a big boy I can take it.... .bring it on......

 

[Spitfire1975]

Very true, except for the fact that you don't need to be any smarter to get your MTE than you do to get your bachelor's degree. It is called a Master's and technically it is, but it is not as rigorous. It is used as an extra year of getting into a classroom environment and begin to discover what it is really like to work with different learning techniques, differences in child development and information retention and how to deal with the system in place (modifications, federal and state testing, etc...). The MTE gives you more "hands-on" experience then was previously available. It is not based so much on thesis research and presentation.

 

[modelageek]

Very true, except for the fact that you don't need to be any smarter to get your MTE than you do to get your bachelor's degree. It is called a Master's and technically it is, but it is not as rigorous. It is used as an extra year of getting into a classroom environment and begin to discover what it is really like to work with different learning techniques, differences in child development and information retention and how to deal with the system in place (modifications, federal and state testing, etc...). The MTE gives you more "hands-on" experience then was previously available. It is not based so much on thesis research and presentation.

agreed......I actually don't even like throwing to much respect at college degrees....it is my personnel belief that just about any average person can accumulate a large sum of money

 

[koda6966]

I work for Kmart.

 

[Spitfire1975]

True that any person CAN accumulate a large sum of money. Absolutely. That is what this country is all about. BUT I would hazard a guess that you will find the majority of money makers in this economy took the extra time, effort and sacrifice to get, at the minimum, a bachelors. Not all. Look at Bill Gates.

 

[Ozwynn]

True that any person CAN accumulate a large sum of money. Absolutely. That is what this country is all about. BUT I would hazard a guess that you will find the majority of money makers in this economy took the extra time, effort and sacrifice to get, at the minimum, a bachelors. Not all. Look at Bill Gates.

Bill Gate's is a pot smoking Harvard drop out........ and a brilliant business man .......

 

[Spitfire1975]

yeah....that was my point.