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the truth about jeep xj?


Day I bought it, never that clean after that day LOL.


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One of my many backroad adventures.


The running boards were removed soon after I bought the Jeep, never understood the idea behind them, the Jeep was not sitting high enough to need running boards all they did was trap mud/snow/ice under and around them.
 
The XJ is far from horribly equipped for off road.

Its just pretty hard to believe seeing as I have an XJ and know what was done to it and still needs to be done to it in order to be as capable as my Rangers that I lifted only the front ends to level them out and running 33s.

Everyone on my local trails that I run into with an XJ always confirms all the same points I mentioned im my other post. Its the same story every time. Nice jeep, thanks, nice truck, thanks. Then the conversation turns into what have you upgraded. Every guy with a jeep has a list 5 minutes long. All I can say is I leveled the front end so I could fit 33s and have a Locked 7.5 in the rear. Conversation usually ends with no way that truck is stock, man that thing is a beast. Then we wheel some more going through all the same stuff.

Perfect example, I ran into a guy last weekend. Nice 1996 XJ with an 8" lift, 35" super swamper, locked 8.25, tow eyes, front push bar, and much more. Really nice guy and we wheeled for about 2 hours in this one swamp. Had a blast we made so many new paths through the soup and ended up with a crowd of people watching waiting for one of us to get stuck. Neither of us did and when it got dark we parked the rigs and sat by the fire his buddies started while watching us. We all got to talking and I mentioned I had an XJ myself. All of them being Jeep guys asked where is it then and why arent you wheeling that Jeep instead of the Ranger. Before I could even reply the guy I was in the swamp with replied because that Ranger is stock. After a bit more talking they all admitted there was no way with just the simple modifications I did to my Ranger there Jeeps would be anywhere near ready to tackle that swamp. I then added thats why my XJ is not here because its got a lot more work before its as capable as my Ranger. I explained where my XJ is at with only a 3" lift, 31" tires, and nothing else. Everyone laughed and said that Jeep has a long way to come before this swamp.

Ill give it to you shoving 33s with a 1" fender roll and 3" lift is doable. At all functional no if you need flex on rocks or climbing. I rolled my rear fender lip up to the tack welds and removed the front fenders to fit 33s. First good rock section rear tire kept rubbing so hard on the top of the inside of the rear fender the Jeep wouldnt even move.

As for the steering you need a deeper offset wheel to achieve full lock with anything wider than a 9.5 tire. My ranger is using stock 15x7 wheels with 10.50 wide 33s. Full lock no rubbing or anything. I can even fit 11.50 wides and still have full lock with the stock Ranger wheels. Everything on a Jeep needs upgrading you can barely use any of the stock parts. Axles, bumpers, wheels, it just adds up fast when you get serious about wheeling an XJ. Still running my stock bumpers which have tow points, running stock wheels with bigger tires, running stock D35 up front and actually downgraded to a 7.5 (come stock in 4cyl and 3.0 Rangers) out back and threw a locker in it. Weak part in 7.5 is carrier which is still stronger than 8.25. Full differential replacement (Detroit auto locker) in the 7.5 and it is far stronger than 8.25. 8.25 spline angle on the axle shafts is why they are weaker than 28 spline Ford shafts which are the same in the 7.5 and 8.8. Read inot spline angles and see how much a difference just the angle makes in strenght.

The only readily capable Jeep is a Wrangler or alike. Sure you can take anything off road in stock form but with the lack of tow points/underbody protection (yes the Ranger has a gas tank skid plate from the factory, Cross braces that protect the drivetrain, a transfer case skid plate, and the drivetrain alone is recessed high above the bottom of the fraim rails) and weak drivetrain points like axles how long is the fun going to last without a decent invesment over the original purchase.

The OP wanting to buy a Jeep already worked over a bit is the only way to buy one. Let someone else empty their pockets on it for you and then scoop it up when they realize what a bad investment it was.
 
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My xj will out wheel the shit out of my ranger. Plain and simple. In stock form xjs are capable. Lift height is a concern but once that is dealt with youre good to go. If you are wheeling hard you will want a roll cage . Which will definitely support the xj body from flexing. Most of us xj owners will do some type of frame stiffening where we plate the unirails to strengthen things. The slip yoke is a shitty setup but i run a slip yoke eliminator and a stock front cv drive shaft. Problem solved. Probably cheaper than a one piece driveshaft for a ranger. The aw4 with a trans cooler on it is damn near bullet proof as well as the 4.0. I run a explorer 8.8 but a newer xj with a dana 44 or chrysler 8.25 is just as sufficient. Aftermarket support is way higher than a ranger. And parts are cheaper. You can build a xj pretty cheap. The hp 30 non disco with cromo shafts and a locker is damn tough. 35s are max if you hammer on the skinny pedal. But people have run 37's. Not the best idea but its been done. Suspension wise xjs have alot of options. Just depends on what you want to spend. But if you build your own shit cut the price in half or better. Personally id daily drive my ranger over my xj which i do. But when i want to beat the shit out of something i grab the jeep keys. The only issue i have had with mine is the cooling system. The 4.0 takes up alot of space in the engine bay and fiiting a bigger radiator is next to impossible. Once you familiarize yourself to it and work out the kinks good luck stopping the jeep. They just run. Do some research and make your decision. There is so much knowledge on these vehicles that its easy to get lost in upgrading them. Check out naxja. There are alot of people there who would be more than willing to help you out. But i guarantee no one there will tell you not to buy an xj.
I fail to see the "parts are cheaper" logic. Jeep parts are anything but cheap.

I've wheeled with Rangers, Bronco IIs, FSBs, XJs, WJs, CJs, YJs, TJs, JKs, Nissans, Sammis....

In the right hands and built right, they are all capable rigs. I would probably never own an XJ/WJ/etc because of the unibody. I'd rather start with a real frame than have to reinforce a unibody. Just sounds like a PITA. But that's me, I really have nothing against the Jeeps. I would just rather stick to my Fords because there is a lot of parts interchange. Especially now that I started modifying stuff - a lot of the time a repair becomes an "upgrade" which just so happens to match a bunch of my other trucks. That way I can stock my shed with spare parts and only have a couple different things which means less space taken up by spare parts and less trips to town for replacement parts (of course the parts stores hate when I make that trip with a pile of warranty items).

Jeeps are pretty capable off-road. My choptop had to be pulled by a Jeep twice because I blew up the heads on the trails (I had replaced the heads with used ones on a motor that had already blown up the heads, I think there was damage to the bottom end that was helping things along) and once because I snapped a D-28 shaft in a swamp (after some friends told me that I definitely could make it). My 89 Bronco II Eddie Bauer had to be pulled out three times (in it's defense, it was bone stock with front and rear swaybars). Once from when I went over a snowmobile path and got hung up, once when I was wheeling and broke through some ice into a large puddle (water was almost up to the doors), and once when I accidently ventured into a swamp with it. The Jeeps that pulled me out? YJ and TJ Jeeps running lots of lift and 34-36" Super Swampers.

Now that I said the bad, I'll say the good. I haven't really wheeled my choptop all that much yet, but it is a capable rig. When I buried it in the swamp, the Jeep that rescued me had to do a lot of tugging even with my other three wheels digging. It was the sort of thing that would have been easier to pull some winch line but neither of us had a working winch at the time. Of course, it was my stupidity for just romping on the go pedal and not having scouted the area before. As far as the 89 Eddie Bauer goes, I wheeled that a good bit and the Jeeps I wheeled with at the time were very impressed with how well it did. The first time I took it out, we were wheeling through some trails and came to a big mud puddle, the Jeep told me that I would probably want to go around but he was going through it on the CB. I hung back and watched him go through, it was deep but I thought I could do it, so I followed him through. He couldn't believe I made it since he was on 34's and it was fairly deep. Later that year I pulled a TJ on 36's out in the snow - snow so deep I was pushing it with my grill all day.

My choptop on 33's... I spent a total of $1,537 on the truck at this point, including what I paid for the truck. Bear in mind, it was a 2wd when I bought it.


As it sits today, grand total of about $3,200 spent. I have 35's on it now and half of the roll cage is installed (the other half is in my shed).
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The OP wanting to buy a Jeep already worked over a bit is the only way to buy one. Let someone else empty their pockets on it for you and then scoop it up when they realize what a bad investment it was.

Somebody elses project is also a great way to get a cobbled up piece of crap too... seems like that is usually how it goes most of the time.

Rangers come shorter than mine but I love the manuverablity and visablity compared to an extended cab, SUV or fullsize truck.

That said I have always wanted a CJ/YJ/TJ. Never really been able to justify one but I have always thought they were neat. The other ones don't really do much for me.
 
Somebody elses project is also a great way to get a cobbled up piece of crap too... seems like that is usually how it goes most of the time.

Rangers come shorter than mine but I love the manuverablity and visablity compared to an extended cab, SUV or fullsize truck.

That said I have always wanted a CJ/YJ/TJ. Never really been able to justify one but I have always thought they were neat. The other ones don't really do much for me.

Problem with the "Wrangler" platform jeeps is you are paying for the looks, the don't really do any better offroad than a regular Jeep Cherokee or even other brand vehicles for that matter. People just think they look better I guess. The Wrangler platform jeeps also cost you an arm and a leg.
 
Problem with the "Wrangler" platform jeeps is you are paying for the looks, the don't really do any better offroad than a regular Jeep Cherokee or even other brand vehicles for that matter. People just think they look better I guess. The Wrangler platform jeeps also cost you an arm and a leg.

I don't think they look better, they do look better. :D

If wanted a boring boxy SUV my first stop would be 91-94 Explorer.
 

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