The autumn years of the ICE should be the golden years for the ICE.

[RonD]

It not an either or thing

Current EVs have a use which is cost and time effective for buyers, so matches greed points they have set, lol

ICE is fine for others that current EV parameters don't work for
But as the parameters change/improve the greed will take over

ICE will never go away, same as horses never went away

No one will be prying your cold dead fingers from that 460, except your kids, to bury you

 

[rusty ol ranger]

Um...

If you think EV's are inconvenient, then you've entirely missed the point.


If you're trying to make them function as a road warrior machine, then maybe. But we've already discussed that.

Their forte is shorter distance use. People that drive 200 miles per day or less. For that use, there's no need to -ever- 'sit and wait hours to charge' or 'drive out of their way to a charger'. Those concepts don't even exist for the typical EV audience (which is most, but certainly not all, car owners). A one time fee to have an an electrician wire a fast home charger is pretty inconsequential in the long run. In exchange, you never go to a gas station. Ever. Never schedule an oil change. The car just becomes a background appliance that you plug in when you get home.

Most people (besides the vocal EV crowd) dont find getting gas once or twice a week or getting an oil change every few months a chore. Espicially if they dont have to worry about everything else.

Ill promise you you ask a bunch of people if they would rather stop for gas and get an oil change or pay 1000+ to have an EV charger put in they would choose gas stops.

But whatever, no one knows for sure. But IC has been around 100+ years for a reason. Its just to good for what it does.

 

[rusty ol ranger]

It not an either or thing

Current EVs have a use which is cost and time effective for buyers, so matches greed points they have set, lol

ICE is fine for others that current EV parameters don't work for
But as the parameters change/improve the greed will take over

ICE will never go away, same as horses never went away

No one will be prying your cold dead fingers from that 460, except your kids to bury you

IC replaced horses because it was superior. EV's are at best equal to IC...and that optimistic.

 

[DeathRanger]

Um...

If you think EV's are inconvenient, then you've entirely missed the point.


If you're trying to make them function as a road warrior machine, then maybe. But we've already discussed that.

Their forte is shorter distance use. People that drive 200 miles per day or less. For that use, there's no need to -ever- 'sit and wait hours to charge' or 'drive out of their way to a charger'. Those concepts don't even exist for the typical EV audience (which is most, but certainly not all, car owners). A one time fee to have an an electrician wire a fast home charger is pretty inconsequential in the long run. In exchange, you never go to a gas station. Ever. Never schedule an oil change. The car just becomes a background appliance that you plug in when you get home.

My use case exactly. our EV is used 150-200 miles everyday, 7 days a week. charge car at night and it's full every morning. in almost 3 years, we've only needed a public supercharger ~50 times, most of which were when traveling across multiple states.

My charging outlet cost $1000, which required new breaker, pulling new cable across basement out other side of house, trenched across driveway and to garage, then wired up with standard Nema 14-50 outlet.

It only took 6 months to make up the difference in fuel costs for installing my own charger.

 

[fastpakr]

Most people (besides the vocal EV crowd) dont find getting gas once or twice a week or getting an oil change every few months a chore. Espicially if they dont have to worry about everything else.

Ill promise you you ask a bunch of people if they would rather stop for gas and get an oil change or pay 1000+ to have an EV charger put in they would choose gas stops.

But whatever, no one knows for sure. But IC has been around 100+ years for a reason. Its just to good for what it does.

If you're willing to simply imagine statistics and play the 'name it, claim it' game, you can believe anything you like.

But most of us actually live in a place where what is and isn't true actually has some sense of relevance.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

It not an either or thing

Current EVs have a use which is cost and time effective for buyers, so matches greed points they have set, lol

ICE is fine for others that current EV parameters don't work for
But as the parameters change/improve the greed will take over

ICE will never go away, same as horses never went away

No one will be prying your cold dead fingers from that 460, except your kids, to bury you

Horses are gone aside from religious reasons or hobbiests.

Nobody uses horses so they don't have to buy gas or whatever.

Steam would be a better statement as it still exists in big places where there is no other option.

 

[RonD]

IC replaced horses because it was superior. EV's are at best equal to IC...and that optimistic.

I don't know, I think you could find people that think horses are superior for work and local travel, you are just not one of them

And trains switched to electric drive motors because......................hummm, could they be superior?
Application is the key and user preference

 

[rusty ol ranger]

I don't know, I think you could find people that think horses are superior for work and local travel, you are just not one of them

And trains switched to electric drive motors because......................hummm, could they be superior?
Application is the key and user preference

Go compare model T sales to EV sales.

This is not even the same situation. Not even close.

like i said...time will tell. But IC is going to be a HUGE force for decades and decades. Both in showrooms and used lots....and on sales charts.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

If you're willing to simply imagine statistics and play the 'name it, claim it' game, you can believe anything you like.

But most of us actually live in a place where what is and isn't true actually has some sense of relevance.

I'm with him on this.

Put in two outdoor chargers and run power out to my driveway?

Yeah, screw that noise.

 

[DeathRanger]

Oil changes take my money and time

Oil change required every 5000 miles
Costs - can vary but lets just say $50 for DIY and up to $100 if done at dealer
Time - 1 hour DIY and 2 hours waiting at dealer

so in 125,000 miles I would have required 25 oil changes
Costs - that would have cost between $1250 DIY and $2500 thru Dealer
Time - 25 hours DIY or 50 hours at dealer (now calculate your earnings/hour to see how much you would have made working instead of changing oil)

So I've already saved $1250 - $2500 of my own money and worked for 25 - 50 extra hours which made me alot more money.

 

[Chapap]

I wonder if PHEVs will push EVs forward significantly. Probably a much bigger market than would be interested in them.

 

[fastpakr]

I'm with him on this.

Put in two outdoor chargers and run power out to my driveway?

Yeah, screw that noise.

So you're one of the cases where it's not a good fit. But you're rapidly becoming the exception. And there's nothing wrong with that - let's be clear, I'm not in the market for a new vehicle any time soon so there's no electric car or truck coming to my driveway for a long while. If I were, an electric would certainly fit my needs. We'd keep one car gas for road trips, and the other could easily cover my needs as an electric. My longest commuting days are about 150 miles. I've still got the Ranger for times that I need the pickup utility or for off road.

 

[stmitch]

Thats still a very small number when you consider most new vehicles sold are pickups.

2.8 million pickups sold in the US in 2021

15 million total vehicles sold in 2021

Due to the chip shortage, most automakers prioritized high profit vehicles like trucks, and they still made up just 19% of sales in 2021. In a year with normal supply chains, that percentage might be even lower. The half ton and larger trucks sell like hotcakes, but they're nowhere near "most new vehicles sold".

 

[rusty ol ranger]

2.8 million pickups sold in the US in 2021

15 million total vehicles sold in 2021

Due to the chip shortage, most automakers prioritized high profit vehicles like trucks, and they still made up just 19% of sales in 2021. In a year with normal supply chains, that percentage might be even lower. The half ton and larger trucks sell like hotcakes, but they're nowhere near "most new vehicles sold".

Then how the hell does just the F150 outsell every other vehicle?

 

[Chapap]

Then how the hell does just the F150 outsell every other vehicle?

There’s a bunch of other vehicles