The autumn years of the ICE should be the golden years for the ICE.

[rusty ol ranger]

Whatever moneybags....I am partial to 2.00 to 2.30......plenty from us tax CATTLE ....

Oh so am I, and ill bitch like a sumbitch at 5+ a gallon....but im not giving up pistons and crankshafts.

 

[alwaysFlOoReD]

Currently paying US$3.80 to US$4.40 a US gallon in Calgary, Alberta, Canada.

 

[PetroleumJunkie412]

Canada

Truckistan*

 

[bobbywalter]

Currently paying US$3.80 to US$4.40 a US gallon in Calgary, Alberta, Canada.

That is waaaay too cheap for free dental ..



Better get that up to 15 dollars or so ..

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

Not much cheaper in cow and grain central....prices for food are probably going to be shitty in 10 months

$3.20ish/gal for E10 here.

Was just talking to a guy that was selling beef for $3/lb hanging weight. Now go price hamburger or a steak at the grocery store...

 

[sgtsandman]

We just bumped up to $3.599 from $3.499 the other day.

 

[RonD]

In west coast Canada its $5.69 for a US gallon, in US$

3.78 liters in 1 US gallon

$1.69/liter Can$, $6.38 a gallon
Exchange is .89

 

[wildbill23c]

K. I've kept quiet because EVs are a meme.

But ima rant now and probably p*ss some people off.

If I do p*ss you off, just remember, I still love you.






Here's the purchase economics of it:

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You are unironically stupid of you're paying six figures for a vehicle. I am unapologetic about this.

Oh but you paid six figures for the ChevFerd Truckmaster 9000? Or for the LamboFerri XJPSOSHRYJSK5ABDH? Or the PenisCompensatorStatusSymbol IIVI? Congratulations. You're stupid. Really, really stupid. No amount of cope or justification will change my opinion. If you're paying six figures for a new vehicle, you are stupid.





Nobody born after 1990 can, or will ever be able to afford a house, let alone a six figure memewagen. So, forget young people buying even the base model. Not happening at $15/hr.

Meme. Luxury meme. But still a meme.





Oh, and if you want to drive something that can be hacked that's cool. I know enough about coding and networking to know that if someone wants you dead in one of those, you're going to be dead, and it's going to look like a glitch or an accident. All of my shit lacks connectivity and has a clutch for a reason. Trusting networked technology that has the power to kill you is stupid. Really, really stupid.




Environmental impact? Tell that to a child laborer digging lithium, copper, and cobalt out of the ground right now in a third world sh*thole. Theyre not environmentally friendly. The impact just isn't here, it's somewhere else. So, the aesthetics look environmentally friendly. That's not the truth. The truth is that you're feeding the Chinese mining industry that's exploiting third world labor globally.

But then again, if you own an EV, you're probably shopping Walmart and Amazon anyways, so third world and slave labor doesn't really matter to you. K. Point taken.



Stupid. A meme. And good marketing.

And.... little else.

If you doubt me, just remember that the federal government is pushing these sh*tboxes like crazy. And they never **** anything up. Ever.

Ahh...but bring your disconnected clutch vehicle over and I'll show you how we can kill you just as dead with it LOL.

When they started putting tablets, then multiple tablets into the dashes of vehicles, my days of you shouldn't use your phone while driving kind of tapered off...when they talk about distracted driving, and hands free cell phone or no cell phone use...then go as far as to put the damn thing into the dash of your car...how ass backwards did they get with the distracted driving safety crowd? Apparently that wasn't distracting enough so let's just add heads up displays in the middle of the viewing area of the windshield...then let's make some self-driving cars that you still need to drive otherwise they run into fire trucks, school buses, semi-trucks, pedestrians, and other cars....all these technology "wonders" are just that, wonder who the morons are that think that's safer than just driving a regular car without that crap...oh and when all that gadgetry fails...oooh man hope you have an endless supply of $$$$$ in your wallet because you are gonna need it....or? Do you? You just go buy another $200k car on your shoe string cup-o-noodles budget....because that's what people do now and somehow think its great to have a $2,000/mo car payment on a vehicle they're never going to own...lease is up, go get into a new car that's $220k now, and 5 more touch screen systems to fondle through while flying down the interstate trying to figure out how the hell to turn off your ass warmers, and roll down the window.

Electric isn't any less polluting than an ICE engine...probably more polluting is the mining for the minerals used to make those electric battery packs...then the battery dies in 5-10 years, or the car is totalled, now you have a highly polluting waste dump on wheels where do you put that thing? Landfill...great...and...the green martians come to mind from people drinking contaminated run off water.

 

[wildbill23c]

It's probably a good feature -most- of the time. But that particular quirk was enough to make me very intentional about disabling it and providing my own traction control under certain circumstances. Like I said though - the newer vehicles that I've driven it weren't nearly as rough around the edges. Whoever thought killing the power completely was a good idea clearly didn't step through the possible outcomes very thoroughly.

My 2008 Toyota Tundra's electronic nanny systems were quite intrusive, slightest wheel slip and bam no power, no forward movement...yeah not safe when trying to pull out into traffic. I have found my 2008 Ford Explorer's electronic nannies are far less intrusive, and the auto 4WD setting will allow you to get sideways if ya wanna. At least when I hit the go pedal with my Explorer it gets out of its own way...that Tundra was an accident waiting to happen, go to the point where every time I got in it and started it my finger hit the traction control off button, even in 4WD the electronic nannies were way too intrusive. Apparently Ford thought about that and didn't tune their systems to be quite as intrusive which is a good thing for most of us who actually know how to drive....and for many of us here we all drive vehicles that don't even have ABS on a daily basis and would rather do so than have all the electronic nonsense.

 

[19Walt93]

I don't know, I think you could find people that think horses are superior for work and local travel, you are just not one of them

And trains switched to electric drive motors because......................hummm, could they be superior?
Application is the key and user preference

The electric motors pushing those trains are powered by diesel generators spewing black smoke, it was about power, not about being "green".

 

[19Walt93]

F*rd lies about literally everything.

Ford isn't the company that's lying, If GM admitted that a GMC is just a Chevy truck that they suckered someone into paying a higher price for, GM outsells F series. But GM wants to keep fleecing their GMC customers and the GMC customers want to keep believing.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

The electric motors pushing those trains are powered by diesel generators spewing black smoke, it was about power, not about being "green".

They did the same thing with battleships in WWI.

Now they use nuclear reactors instead of coal/oil fired boilers to do the same thing.

 

[19Walt93]

Drive by wire helps with fuel economy for sure.

They can use the use the computer to make the throttle less responsive, in turn, preventing you from accelerating too quickly. They can also limit the it so you can't go WOT. This is why you see, Drive/Eco/Sport modes in new auto cars. Makes the throttle more and less responsive to your inputs.

It also causes a heart stopping hesitation if you spike the throttle suddenly because a truck just whipped around the car blocking your view as you pulled into the road. Drive by wire is to make the emissions folks happy.

 

[19Walt93]

The next few years will be interesting. I read an article in a science magazine when I was a kid that said once nuclear power came online, electricity would be too cheap to meter. In the early 80's the now defunct Omni science magazine stated that a vaccine was being developed that would prevent tooth decay. Now we're going to quickly stop burning gas and oil and convert everything to electric which we'll power with fairy dust and warm feelings because our power grid sure ain't up to the job- California and Texas have rolling blackouts when the weather is hot and very few people are charging electric cars. The only thing that stays constant is change. I guess we'll see what happens.

 

[1990RangerinSK]

But people also like convenince. EV's are not convienent. Most people would rather sit 15 min for an oil change and spend 40 bucks then have to sit and wait hours to charge, drive out of their way to a charger, or pay an electrcian to install a charger. They also dont like having to plan their life around a vehicle, as in, "oh i just got home from my 50 mi commute, now i need to drive 30 mi to see my sister, will i have enough charge by morning to get to work?"

That sorta thing.

They are getting better every year, though. That's what you forget. Eight years ago, when EVs first started to come out, my now ex wife and I made four 120-150 mile (one way) trips per year, and spent a couple of nights at our destination. The rest of the time, we didn't leave the city we lived in. Those first EVs didn't have enough range to make it to our destination, so even if we could get to our destination and plug into 120V, we couldn't make it to our destination.

Today, an EV will make that trip easily. In fact, there are EVs that can make that trip AND return, without charging, as long as the only driving you do is to the destination and back. They've doubled (or tripled) range in eight years. Imagine where they'll be in another 5.

I've said before that where I live now the nearest (smaller) city is about 90 miles away. I can get an EV with enough range to get me there and back, and have enough range to drive around in the city. The city I would prefer to go to is 50 miles farther. I wouldn't make it home from there without charging. In five years, I'll bet I would be able to get an EV that will get me there and back, AND allow me to drive around the city all day, without charging. Battery technology is evolving that quickly.